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you're in the pair cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio we have

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Greg Bishop back after somewhat of an

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absence you see Greg Bishop among all

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our guests has a real life you know he

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doesn't just write books and talk about

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UFOs and paranormal thingies he actually

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has a real life and he does remote that

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was real life it is but you know I'm

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talking about you have a regular job and

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you do regular stuff and then every so

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often you get together with us and we're

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always happy to have you on the para

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cast I'm gene Steinberg Greg Bishop is

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our co-host we'll bring on our special

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special special guest in a few moments

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but Greg in as much as it's been quite a

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while since we talked to you what have

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you been up to lately in the paranormal

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realm not very damn much however I am

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writing a treatment for a film I'm

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working on the beginnings of a book that

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I want to co-write with somebody and

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possibly a fiction book which I still

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keep mentioning that I was gonna write

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with Mac Tony's but Mac is not around

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you can use a Ouija board and channel

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Mac Tony's and have him help you yeah

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but you know that all the Ouija board is

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a very bad receiver so I don't know what

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I'm getting right you don't understand

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though I think Mac was the kind of cool

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guy who would have understood something

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like that well maybe but he's a he also

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I don't know how much control he has of

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who's claiming to be him from the other

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side but like I just said that might

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make it better so do you have a

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co-author for your UFO book yet what's

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your phone book the one I just mentioned

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yes yes I do but I don't want to talk

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about it and it's not somebody famous or

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anything anybody anyone anybody knows

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it's just basically based on somebody

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that we met years ago I think I

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mentioned before the guy that was from

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Naval Intelligence this freaked us all

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out tell our listeners kind of recap

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this because we have so many new

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listeners because of our presence on the

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gcn network not everybody knows every in

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joke every in comment so maybe a little

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bit of reflection here well it wasn't

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really an in-joke it's more like I

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for a long time ago I published a

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magazine called the excluded middle it's

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still online you can find it under

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excluded middle comm but i attracted

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anything from total lack o

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to extremely serious researchers to

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intelligence people one was a guy who

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claimed he's from naval intelligence and

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told me all kinds of strange things made

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me totally paranoid had me you know

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looking out my window at knife wondering

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who was calling me at all hours of the

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day and i had basically made me a raving

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paranoid for about a year then I got

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over it but he's also a fascinating

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character who wasn't exactly who he

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claimed to be but that didn't make it

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any less fascinating or any less of a

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learning experience and any less you

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know it made my life much richer when

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people say you know why do yourself

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laugh allow yourself to be strung along

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by these people well I did for a while

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but I did because I wanted to be strung

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along and then later I realized I didn't

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have to take everything so damn

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seriously and at that point realized

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that I'd learned quite a lot from this

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guy and that's what the book is about ok

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is he someone genuinely involved or now

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to blow in the paranormal realm while he

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was but what he claimed to be is from

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the from Naval Intelligence and it

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turned out he was not in Naval

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Intelligence but he was very closely

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associated with somebody in it to the

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point where he knew things that most

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people shouldn't know he was more

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interested in the you know government

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UFO angle not so much in the paranormal

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angle and that's how he approached it

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and that's how he approached us with it

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you know I'm starting to think of that

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guy that Anthony Sanchez was talking

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about when he was on the show just a

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couple of weeks ago with Chris O'Brien

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he was talking about maybe a Colonel X a

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whistleblower who knew all about Dulce

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New Mexico and I kind of thought you

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know what I think Anthony is the kind of

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fellow that someone pulled the wool over

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his eyes that's what it was all about I

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didn't hear that interview I have had

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some emails with Anthony impression that

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I get from talking to Chris and from

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what I've heard and from a little

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contact I've had with him is that he you

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know fulfills what a lot of insider

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people want to do is somebody who really

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wants to listen really wants to get the

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person's story out and unfortunately

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probably doesn't really have any

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wäôre maybe doesn't even care to check

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out if there's anything to the story I

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mean for what the guy said there really

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is no way to check it out it's just an

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interesting story like serpo and like

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like Paul bennewitz and stuff I'm like

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oh god you know countless of these UFO

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and paranormal stories which are

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impossible to check out or nearly

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impossible so you know that's I think

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that's how you should take it it's just

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as an interesting story file it away and

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see if something something interesting

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comes up later that will shore it up or

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support it I was thinking of Walter

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Bosley your cohort or sometimes cohort

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somebody who has real experience in

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terms of the military and intelligence

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so maybe he's telling some interesting

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stories yeah well he is telling

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interesting stories and I am convinced

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that he is convinced about these stories

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but the other thing is he realizes and I

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he realizes that I don't really totally

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believe what's going on I I listen I

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think it's fascinating if it is true but

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I don't totally believe and he's okay

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with that which is why he's remained my

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friend and what what a lot of people

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don't understand about Walter but he can

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say whatever he wants and if you don't

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if you don't believe him fine you don't

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believe him I know I mean Hank usually

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he hangs a Cajun Lee in the power cast

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forums at forum dot para cast calm and

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he answers your questions I mean he'll

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answer anything as long as you're not

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insulting about it you know you want to

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know about his experiences about his

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background if there's nothing that he

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can't talk about he'll be happy to say

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so and he seems like a pleasant enough

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guy and it's up to you listeners if you

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want to believe what he says or not I

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think that gets into this dichotomy we

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have amongst our listeners here we bring

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people with fascinating stories like

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Walter Bosley David hatchery Childress

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and a number of others and they have a

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wide range of really solid experiences

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they've done their homework they're

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certainly sincere but sometimes our

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listeners say you know what we want the

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Mike Wallace kind of questions here I

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hesitate to use the name Bill O'Reilly

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kind of questioning because I want to go

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back to a more traditional kind of

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journalism well you can you can mix them

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in I mean on my show I have the Mike

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Wallace questions and I also have the

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questions that I want to hear the

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answers to and not all

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those are I totally believe you or I

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think you're totally full of crap it's

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just just questions that I want to hear

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I want to hear what they have to say

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about what their story is and I turn off

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the filter for quite a while because I

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just want to hear what they have to say

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there might be something interesting or

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good or or traceable or whatever in that

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or something more importantly which is

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more important to me and that's an issue

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too you know one night we mentioned with

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our listeners it's part of our ongoing

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dialogue in the forums and in the emails

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we get whether we should sometimes ask

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them turn off the filters you know we

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have a Jim Marrs on the show we have Jim

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Marrs with Frank Warren on the show a

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few months back and Jim has lots of

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fascinating stories to tell and I gather

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he doesn't have the filters on all the

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time either I mean there are interesting

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conspiracy theories and as a matter of

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going to be someone who could acquaint

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us with a few interesting tales and

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stories yeah but sometimes you got to

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turn those filters off as a matter of

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fact before we get into the next segment

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of the show before we introduce our

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guest tell us about who he is and about

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his background well this is Adam go

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rightly he's been a friend of mine since

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a loosely associated group called The

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Kooks who were basically writers artists

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photographers publishers etc who are

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interested in UFOs a paranormal and and

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how it affected us and we'd get together

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every year for a campout which we called

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the kook out and talk about all this

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stuff and basically have fun and hook up

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with people before there was an Internet

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or at least much of an Internet and

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since then he's he's written something

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like four or five books ranging on

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everything from the Manson Family to

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Carrie Thornley to conspiracy theorists

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and very well-versed in all these areas

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called where the 1950s contactees ritual

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magicians which I thought was a really

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ritual magicians yes in in the Western

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magical you know a cult way he had this

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strange idea let's find let's compare

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their actions to those of ritual

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magicians like Aleister Crowley and

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people like that and ski and Dan fried

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those people you know what animal go

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rightly he's gonna be joining us on the

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podcast for his first appearance it's a

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long time coming a reminder neighbors we

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welcome your input we want to hear from

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we're joined after really a long time

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and I wanted to get this guy in the show

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for a while I just didn't work out with

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a scheduling Adam go rightly our co-host

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is Greg Bishop I'm gene Steinberg you're

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in the power cast and I was looking over

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your bio or about a section on your site

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Adam and it says you have been a

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chronicler of fringe culture in an

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illuminating manner so we love the

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illumination but what do you consider

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fringe culture that was my own

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propaganda there the illuminating manner

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that I started

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shucks back with the zine movement in

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the late 80s early 90s

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mr. Bishop there was part of that scene

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I wrote for his magazine and a bunch

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crash collusion paranoia magazine UFO

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magazine quite a bit of different things

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and fridge topics back back then writing

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about conspiracies definitely was fringy

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and the intersection between all UFOs

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and psychedelics that's kind of what got

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me interested in that underground

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movement back then there was a magazine

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called crash collusion that I happen to

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stumble upon and it advertised itself as

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you know looking into these areas UFOs

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and psychedelics and paranormal so

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during that period the late 80s early

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90s there was more people getting

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interested in these quote-unquote fringe

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topics so I started writing for all

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these different magazines about fringe

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topics and strange peoples and my own

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experiences which were rather odd is

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what I chronicled all right well let's

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just get to that then you know I don't

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have any real UFO or paranormal

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experiences to speak up I have shall we

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say some that might be borderline but

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okay Adam tell us what kind of weird

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experiences have you had maybe go into

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the first one how old were you and what

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happened

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ooh I usually jump into the later ones I

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you know as a child I remember a few

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things that stick in my mind one was in

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kindergarten I've never really talked

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about this before but it was we were

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doing finger-painting

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one day and I must have gone into a

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trance State or something and went

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inside that finger-painting and it was

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like going into another world you know

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in childhood you have these type of

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reveries these experiences but that was

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an early thing I remember another time I

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had a dachshund dog named Herman and I

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started staring into Herman's eyes one

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time and I went deep into Herman's brain

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so these are early odd experiences that

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come into mind it wasn't later until I

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was in my late teens that I had a

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psychedelic UFO encounter which has

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really deep me deeply influenced all my

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later work in my interest in these areas

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now why do you call it a psychedelic UFO

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encounter I hope not because you're

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taking psychedelics well gene I must

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admit I was well you know I know about

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those things but once you get into a

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course by reputation I can't say I took

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him yes I did yes I did everything in

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the 70s and 60s you know I'm not doing

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him now or people think I'm doing them

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but I don't want to confirm their

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knowledge but okay we were under the

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influence of something and something

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happened so the obvious response someone

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would say is well it wasn't real was an

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illusion what makes you think it's more

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than that let me set the stage a little

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bit this is something I've talked about

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quite a bit over the years one thing

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that makes me think it was more than an

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illusion or just delusion was that it

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was experienced with a friend of mine

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and we were both admittedly under the

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influence of certain pollution agenda

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that starts with the letter L but let me

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also mention it's been a long long time

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since I've don't in used any

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mind-expanding agents this was

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Oh late 70s so do the math so on the

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knighting question we were at a party

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and we took the stuff and it was getting

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a bit intense and so let's get out of

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here let's get outside just go for a

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walk and during that period the 70s

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there was a lot of things in the air

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with Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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movies of that nature we both had a

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yearning to see UFOs so to try to make

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this brief as possible before we were

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walking along and almost to a levee a

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ditch bank and I said to my friend what

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if we saw some UFOs right now nobody

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believed us so we both started laughing

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somewhat uncontrollably got up on the

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levee ditch Baker within 5 or 10 minutes

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we saw our first UFO Nazz we were seeing

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these things we were describing them

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back and forth to each other

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recounting describing the same things we

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saw a number of different UFOs that

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night a cigar shaped UFO your classic

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saucer shape but even weirder cartoonish

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psychedelic things with multicolored

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propellers back and forth describing

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these images to each other and the first

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one was so powerful it made me fall to

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one me now what's you know odd about

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this was a hallucination it was a dual

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hallucination you know I think it's

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indeed possible that you know both of us

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were still good friends to this day we

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write music together there's a simpatico

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there that we might have been

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telepathically beaming these images in

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our mind but you know they were indeed

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powerful to this day both my friend and

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have those images still deeply ingrained

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in our mind and they still still affects

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me to this day

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well of course the most obvious question

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would be how do you know my friend it

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was all real oh well is it loaded word

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in the sense of maybe my reality

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obviously is not the same as anybody

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else's and what we saw it seems real to

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me and real to my friend that maybe it

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was just for us to see you know I have

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theorized a lot over the years what we

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might have indeed saw and you know one

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logical explanation

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John kill talked about a super spectrum

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when you the a window you know much like

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UFO windows that people can pure through

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can be opened up through trance States

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or the same thing that psychics are able

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to see into a window like tuning in a

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frequency of a radio perhaps you know

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that's what we did in that state of mind

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I mentioned before that before we even

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saw these things I said what if we saw

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some UFOs tonight nobody'd ever believe

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us and I think what I might have done

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there is plant a seed a sort of magical

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ritual in effect that's one of my

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theories that done when dealing with the

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use of drugs and entering this chance

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state chant our trance state and like

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setting up what they call the magician's

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intent that's what we ended and witted

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lee did we basically performed a magic

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ritual and conjured these UFOs whatever

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they are you know they might be luring

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minds talking to each other they might

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be ghosts they might be the ultra

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dimensional long and short of it is Adam

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you believe that there was some real

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cause it wasn't just a couple of guys

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tripping and seeing things we'll get

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gene Steinberger in the power cast Adam

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go rightly joining us on his site he

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refers to himself as a certified

651
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crackpot historian 20 third-degree

652
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Discordian I have to ask what a twenty

653
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third degree Discordian is a bit of a

654
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joke there obviously when I originally

655
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read that text I referred to myself as a

656
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33rd degree Mason just to see what kind

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of reaction I could get from people that

658
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I later changed it to a 23rd Discordian

659
00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:02,210
and discordianism well I deal with that

660
00:28:08,409 --> 00:28:05,900
subject in my book the prankster and the

661
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:08,419
conspiracy the story of Carrie Thornley

662
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:11,530
and how we met Oswald and inspired the

663
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counterculture where I basically give a

664
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little history lesson on the discordian

665
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movements and the life and times of

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Carrie Thornley so I guess the question

667
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is what is a Discordian and I probably

668
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need to share the history it was in the

669
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late 50s that this guy Carrie Thornley

670
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who grew up there in Southern California

671
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in Whittier hometown of Richard Nixon as

672
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well in the late well that makes this

673
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stranger begin with before we go on yeah

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so in the late 50s

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formally and a buddy of his great Jill

676
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they were into odd stuff they went on

677
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little outings in fact they went and

678
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visited the Flying Saucer called

679
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understanding which was started by

680
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what's the guy was at

681
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I think it was Daniel Frye's

682
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understanding so they were into odd

683
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weird stuff and they spent a lot of time

684
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in bowling alleys and in there drinking

685
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numerous cups of coffee or sometimes I

686
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heard the story was they like bowling

687
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alleys because they were able to buy way

688
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before we go on yes it was Daniel Frye

689
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and understanding George W Van Tassel

690
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had his own stuff going on but it was

691
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deaf dan Frye yeah and so these two

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young men started these conversations

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about different philosophical

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conversations and one had to do with the

695
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theory of chaos in the world there was

696
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too much chaos in the world one of them

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said the other counter there wasn't

698
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enough chaos in the world that chaos

699
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keeps things interesting and that they

700
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should start a religion on that theme

701
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worshiping the Greek goddess of chaos

702
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and discord by the name of eros and she

703
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is an actual goddess in the lexicon of

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Greek mythology and so allegedly

705
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the two lads some point had a reverie or

706
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a mystical vision in this bowling alley

707
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which led them to the fore to form the

708
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Discordian Society this was in the late

709
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50s and over the years the scoring in

710
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society really started out as a small of

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this four or five people close-knit

712
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group it was kind of an in-joke and they

713
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wrote their own Bible called the

714
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principia discordia as time evolved in

715
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the 60s counterculture evolved they came

716
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out with different publications

717
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different editions of the principia

718
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discordia became sort of an underground

719
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classic and other people got involved in

720
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the scene like Robert Anton Wilson and

721
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Robert Shaye the authors of the

722
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Illuminatus trilogy and they ended a

723
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dedicating in fact the Illuminatus

724
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trilogy the first volume to mr. Thornley

725
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and mr. Hill the progenitors of

726
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Discordian is a religion you know it

727
00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:26,840
sounds like it started off as a goof it

728
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was a was a goof and it kind of took on

729
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a life of its own it'd be you know in

730
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the early days they wrote a lot of

731
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religious texts to go along with the

732
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book it was kind of formalized they

733
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would initiate people into the religion

734
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and everybody in the religion had their

735
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own goofy names Kerry formally was the

736
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Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst and Greg Hill

737
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was now eclipsed the younger and even I

738
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know I'm a a member of the discordian

739
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society and my name is Leah my

740
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Discordian name is the wrong Reverend

741
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Houdini Kundalini of the Church of the

742
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wavering and difference and so as you

743
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said it began as a basically a spoof

744
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that grew into a perhaps much larger

745
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spoof if you get on the internet today

746
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:28,130
and type in discordianism you can see

747
00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:31,000
there's still a lot of different groups

748
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:36,440
involved in the scene okay so let's kind

749
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of move over we had your psychedelic

750
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:42,350
experience you saw things that you kind

751
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:43,850
of took seriously or more than took

752
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,370
seriously yeah and I have to tell you

753
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that my first wife Geneva once took

754
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something and that supposedly was so

755
00:33:01,180 --> 00:32:58,460
mild and so impure that it affected

756
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nobody else except her

757
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:05,470
and she went off in to almost another

758
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world for a while had this incredible

759
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:11,780
illumination and it really changed her

760
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:14,590
life for a number of years and as I said

761
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:16,660
it doesn't seem to have been

762
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:20,480
precipitated by this psychedelic that

763
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:22,490
much because those of us who tried that

764
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:24,740
psychedelic were barely affected by it

765
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:26,810
except for her never happened to her

766
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:29,180
since she tried for years to regain that

767
00:33:36,670 --> 00:33:32,870
feeling didn't happen some people are

768
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:36,680
more sensitive you know perhaps it was

769
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:39,140
the right moment in the right space for

770
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:43,100
her own mystical experience you don't

771
00:33:50,170 --> 00:33:46,040
have to you know you don't need to open

772
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,180
that door up more than once perhaps well

773
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,640
that is a big question here and I think

774
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:54,320
we've mentioned it on the power cast

775
00:33:58,990 --> 00:33:56,270
before when you take this kind of

776
00:34:03,640 --> 00:33:59,000
material these kinds of drugs what are

777
00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:03,650
you opening yourself up to well that is

778
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:07,520
that is indeed the question you could be

779
00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:11,600
open yourself up to some bad juju I

780
00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:15,620
think you know these type of things LSD

781
00:34:20,410 --> 00:34:18,620
the mushrooms ayahuasca which a lot of

782
00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:20,420
people are going to South America and

783
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:23,840
now and having these visionary States

784
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:25,820
they definitely have their place and

785
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:29,870
theirs their tools we can you still used

786
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:32,570
to today today you know but Leary back

787
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:35,360
in his day kind of had it right that

788
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:38,440
it's tied into being prepared for these

789
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:41,510
experiences having the proper sentence

790
00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:44,780
setting the frame of mind it's like a do

791
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:46,900
you approach it like a shamanic

792
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:49,450
experience and there should be a lot of

793
00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:52,790
preparation that goes along with this

794
00:35:00,460 --> 00:34:56,660
just not willy-nilly dispensing of drugs

795
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:00,470
for chicks you know what I know Greg's

796
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,510
been quiet about this but Greg I'm gonna

797
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:04,400
ask you we have a maybe a minute or two

798
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:07,780
minutes for this segment have you

799
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:10,550
pursued this very much this kind of

800
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:11,870
illumination

801
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,000
yeah well I'm it's just like Adam has

802
00:35:19,850 --> 00:35:17,220
and you had it I did but it was a while

803
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:19,860
ago and it's funny you talk about this

804
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,930
kind of stuff and it's it's hard to

805
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:23,880
describe it to people that haven't been

806
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,130
through it and if you have been through

807
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:29,400
it you get sort of a lexicon and sort of

808
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,180
a shorthand for you know something that

809
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:35,280
everybody experiences when they when

810
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:36,660
they do these things and mainly it's

811
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:38,610
just that the you know reality gets

812
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:39,990
turned on its head and you start to have

813
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:42,330
a really strange definition of reality

814
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mr. go rightly if that is your name what

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what kind of inspired you in the first

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place you know why did we meet up why

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were you reading these magazines why you

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know what why do people get interested

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in this weird stuff for you maybe hmm

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probably was just born weird Greg my own

971
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personal experience we talked about the

972
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weird of psychedelic UFO thing I had

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yes those happened roughly around the

974
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same period a little bit after after my

975
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psychedelic UFO experience and so I mean

976
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we can talk about that let's do it okay

977
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oh boy this is another thing where

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perhaps did I plant a seed for this

979
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weird experience to happen reading a lot

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of strange books in my teens about

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different paranormal things experiences

982
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reading about whatever auras and

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ectoplasm and astral projection and so I

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was looking for perhaps techniques to

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astral project and my mind was kind of

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focusing in on that a lot of diverse

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books on this subject and I didn't find

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any

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particular techniques that really lead

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it out exactly but I read what's

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describing the experience one of them

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mentioned pins and needles of fact that

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he felt before leaving the body so I

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kind of remembered that and so over a

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period of time was probably about three

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or four months I was 19 or 20 I started

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having these experiences in this and I'm

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laying in bed of course and everything

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appears to look the same there's nothing

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weird around a place like in a dream but

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then I hear this sound of whooshing an

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electrical current would shoot through

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my body and this kind of la chai effect

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would start then I would parent Li leave

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my body and I initially some of the

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first ones I this levitated up a few

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feet above my body and then later ones I

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tried to move about the room and kind of

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fly about the room I never I don't think

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I ever actually left the room and so as

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these experiences progressed they got

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progressively weirder and scarier some

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of the last ones when I hear the

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electrical whooshing sound that would

1015
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take me into the experience I started

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hearing these strange almost demonic

1017
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voices and at that point you know so

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frightened me these experiences that I

1019
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made a conscious effort not to astral

1020
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project anymore and in fact I that was

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kind of the last of those experiences so

1022
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in looking in these in retrospect you

1023
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know with my UFO experiences I never

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considered myself and Abdi or this type

1025
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of things but I kind of lit looked at

1026
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that in another

1027
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you know maybe that could be related to

1028
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the UFO experiences some people perceive

1029
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as an abdic spear Ian's so basically

1030
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here instead of having ET grab them out

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of their bed and take them through the

1032
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walls where the ceilings they actually

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project themselves but of course we can

1034
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also say you know what maybe you're just

1035
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dreaming I could have been dreaming

1036
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that's very true it's just the intensity

1037
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and the uniqueness of these experiences

1038
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that lock jaw feeling me and you know

1039
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being awake one minute and the sensation

1040
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of this electrical current and all this

1041
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and I read some astral projection

1042
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accounts later and they described a lot

1043
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of the same things so who knows it was

1044
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definitely an odd experiences I had

1045
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nothing like it since I should mention

1046
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one other experience that wasn't dreamed

1047
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but then I can still visualize it today

1048
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we got time you go into that oh please

1049
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we have plenty of time just tell us

1050
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about the experiences I was this was

1051
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around the same period probably as 19 or

1052
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20 and it was a hot central California

1053
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night so I decided to go was leaving

1054
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with my appearance in the residential

1055
00:47:02,579 --> 00:46:59,260
section of town in the suburbs went

1056
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:02,589
outside and there was a slept at night

1057
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:05,020
there's a cheese chaise lounge outside

1058
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:07,450
so I laid down on that and then

1059
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:12,640
apparently went to sleep and woke up in

1060
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:15,490
a dream state but I was in the exact

1061
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:18,190
same position laying on the chaise

1062
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:20,770
lounge with the same blanket nothing was

1063
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:23,290
weird or out of place you know like

1064
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things are often our own dreams but when

1065
00:47:34,589 --> 00:47:32,320
appear I was in a dream state because at

1066
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:34,599
this at that point a huge mothership

1067
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:35,310
look

1068
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you descended down from the east into my

1069
00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:44,280
backyard and I was up one of those huge

1070
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:47,070
mothership type things out of Close

1071
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:50,010
Encounters of the Third Kind once again

1072
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,610
everything in the dream was exactly the

1073
00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:55,710
same as it was in real life except that

1074
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:57,270
the UFO so on

1075
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:00,060
laying there looking up thing and I feel

1076
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:04,200
a tap on my right shoulder and I jerk

1077
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:08,190
over and I wake up and there's nobody

1078
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:09,000
there

1079
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:12,150
of course the UFO is gone but everything

1080
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:15,420
else is exactly like it was in the dream

1081
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:19,730
now some people might interpret that as

1082
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:23,430
abduction experience or perhaps could be

1083
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:26,100
related to it and I'm sure if only to

1084
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:32,400
the right UFO abduction regression

1085
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:34,950
person they could probably believe lead

1086
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:39,630
me to believe that was a UFO et type of

1087
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:42,570
duction experience well that gets back

1088
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,490
to the other thing too you didn't have

1089
00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:46,260
anything like missing time where you

1090
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:48,360
suddenly were doing something and it was

1091
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:55,080
seven hours later no okay because I'm

1092
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:56,970
thinking in terms of what people do to

1093
00:49:02,420 --> 00:48:59,580
recover memories of UFO experiences but

1094
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,430
again this raises the larger dilemma

1095
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:04,800
here the reality of all these things yes

1096
00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:06,690
if it happens when you're going to sleep

1097
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:08,670
well you know you're having sleep

1098
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,200
paralysis you're having a vivid dream

1099
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:13,440
we've all dreamed of things that seem to

1100
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:16,830
be more real than they should be and

1101
00:49:24,610 --> 00:49:21,210
perhaps at the read of this all et

1102
00:49:29,459 --> 00:49:24,620
abduction phenomenon I don't necessarily

1103
00:49:32,279 --> 00:49:29,469
believe or disbelieve in it either but

1104
00:49:35,269 --> 00:49:32,289
you know I could see somebody having

1105
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:35,279
these experiences could interpret it as

1106
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,170
ETS abducting them or whatever spirits

1107
00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:44,079
from another realm or perhaps spirits

1108
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,059
that are with us all the time I don't

1109
00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:48,880
know yeah so to get back I guess to the

1110
00:49:53,609 --> 00:49:51,459
original question way back when what led

1111
00:49:57,479 --> 00:49:53,619
me down this road and part of it the

1112
00:50:01,410 --> 00:49:57,489
paranormal research for experiences such

1113
00:50:03,959 --> 00:50:01,420
as these trying to figure out why what

1114
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:03,969
was behind me and I don't have any

1115
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,410
answers I'm still looking

1116
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:08,079
so these experience it seems like kind

1117
00:50:15,479 --> 00:50:12,670
of led you towards questioning what what

1118
00:50:18,089 --> 00:50:15,489
may be waking reality or shared reality

1119
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:18,099
and since this reality is mm-hmm and

1120
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:20,380
it's it's still doing and I mean I think

1121
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:22,209
that's why we first started talking

1122
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:26,049
because we both had some questions I

1123
00:50:29,189 --> 00:50:27,729
never had any weird experiences I

1124
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:29,199
probably just read the same books you

1125
00:50:36,449 --> 00:50:31,329
did maybe maybe I did it I'm blocking

1126
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:36,459
them out but you never were inspired to

1127
00:50:39,989 --> 00:50:38,049
do your own magazine I notice you wrote

1128
00:50:41,489 --> 00:50:39,999
for like just about every zine and them

1129
00:50:44,219 --> 00:50:41,499
in the beginning there in the zine

1130
00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:44,229
revolution in the seven I mean late 80s

1131
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:48,579
and early 90s yeah great go ahead soon

1132
00:50:54,059 --> 00:50:50,440
yeah I probably had at one point a

1133
00:50:56,489 --> 00:50:54,069
desire to do a magazine and I keep that

1134
00:51:03,239 --> 00:50:56,499
around but then I realized how much work

1135
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,249
it was for you guys complaining yeah but

1136
00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:05,920
you guys do the heavy lifting now you

1137
00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:08,469
just have to create a blog it's a lot

1138
00:51:11,819 --> 00:51:09,400
less expensive

1139
00:51:14,729 --> 00:51:11,829
now I understand about zine revolution I

1140
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:14,739
was doing magazines before you guys were

1141
00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:19,690
doing magazines and it was very

1142
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:21,190
expensive now of course we create

1143
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:23,380
websites and we go to one of our web

1144
00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:24,910
hosts for three dollars a month and we

1145
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:27,320
host them or we have a free site we have

1146
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:30,200
I'm go Riley and we're talking about

1147
00:51:35,530 --> 00:51:32,810
fringe culture of which we are all apart

1148
00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:35,540
in one way or another Greg Bishop is the

1149
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:38,750
co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in I

1150
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:49,720
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1151
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,410
hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to

1152
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:54,480
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1163
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:18,060
again for listening to GC and live.com

1164
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:20,490
again that's GC and live.com we the

1165
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:21,930
people grow cotton wheat fabric

1166
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:24,030
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

1167
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:25,650
protect from counterfeit than carding to

1168
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:27,390
a private bank having a led back at

1169
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:27,930
interest

1170
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,640
forcing taxes to service debt this

1171
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:31,500
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1172
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:32,940
stating a central bank issuing the

1173
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:34,590
public currency is a greater menace to

1174
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:35,700
the liberties of the people than a

1175
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,470
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1176
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:38,640
free silver dollar in a book that

1177
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,650
explains our monetary system call for

1178
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:43,920
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1179
00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:46,980
understand the system call 866 to 237

1180
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:55,590
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1181
00:53:00,859 --> 00:52:57,540
the pair cast the gold standard of

1182
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:00,869
paranormal radio and now here's gene

1183
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:09,360
[Music]

1184
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:11,990
we are going to have a long talk with

1185
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:14,690
Greg after the show is over and I

1186
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:17,990
understand there are a few therapists

1187
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,450
who sent me instant messages as we

1188
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:22,400
progress here saying you know Greg we

1189
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,260
need to talk to him you know there's a

1190
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:26,720
lot to say and a lots of the same people

1191
00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:29,150
on my show the aggravation of having

1192
00:53:34,210 --> 00:53:32,030
that headache-inducing squawking noise

1193
00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:34,220
and also I think it fits in with the

1194
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:36,740
theme of a lot of stuff that I'm go

1195
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:38,570
right Leah's written which has to do

1196
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:40,280
with I don't know what it's called

1197
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:44,470
breaking breaking the mold breaking the

1198
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,050
symmetry of our lives and what we

1199
00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:50,240
perceive well I'll tell you what we're

1200
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:51,860
breaking the symmetry

1201
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,930
I'm Gina Steinberg you're in the power

1202
00:53:58,780 --> 00:53:56,720
cast okay Adam breaking the symmetry now

1203
00:54:00,820 --> 00:53:58,790
we know you had the psychedelic

1204
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:00,830
experiences you had the strange dreams

1205
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:03,890
the possible astral projection or UFO

1206
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:06,590
abductions what broke the symmetry for

1207
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:09,770
you these experiences I indeed say so

1208
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:14,630
also you know into conspiracy theories

1209
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:18,320
quote-unquote quite a bit and one of the

1210
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:23,300
things that led me down that path was my

1211
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:25,550
spin in the early 80s on a central

1212
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:29,420
California junior college campus I saw a

1213
00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:32,300
poster hung up somewhere that said the

1214
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:37,220
CIA killed JFK and I thought well that's

1215
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:42,380
interesting it's and so started looking

1216
00:54:49,390 --> 00:54:45,700
into that reading all the various JFK

1217
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:49,400
assassination conspiracy books and you

1218
00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:52,460
talk about delving into alternate

1219
00:54:59,050 --> 00:54:54,620
alternate dimensions and these things

1220
00:55:01,300 --> 00:54:59,060
was like originally I was filled with

1221
00:55:02,980 --> 00:55:01,310
you know righteous indignation I read

1222
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:02,990
some of these books and it's like it's

1223
00:55:07,930 --> 00:55:05,660
obvious what went on here you know this

1224
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:07,940
group killed him or that group killed

1225
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:08,950
them and

1226
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:11,110
after a while it was like there's

1227
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:13,090
hundreds of books here with varying

1228
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:15,490
theories I wonder if these people are

1229
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:19,510
they could be actually could be true in

1230
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:21,430
some alternate dimensions that this

1231
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,180
became the kind of odd circle-jerk of

1232
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:27,760
sorts but it turned into more of an

1233
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:32,230
intellectual exercise or perhaps wrote

1234
00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:34,540
down madness or the rabbit holes that

1235
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,000
you can taught me how you can follow all

1236
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:39,520
these various reality tunnels never

1237
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:42,130
perhaps get to the quote-unquote truth

1238
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:44,530
well is there a truth about the Kennedy

1239
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:46,300
assassination I mean that's one of the

1240
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:49,390
older conspiracies I remember after

1241
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:51,550
Kennedy died mark Lane

1242
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:54,430
yeah murder book called rush to judgment

1243
00:55:59,640 --> 00:55:56,830
and we saw him in person a number of

1244
00:56:01,440 --> 00:55:59,650
times and if you try and talk to him on

1245
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,450
a friendly basis he seemed kind of a

1246
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,480
rude character I don't know but you know

1247
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:06,640
it seems so credible how could this guy

1248
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:09,900
who was an average marksman take this

1249
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:13,690
clunky clumsy rifle and do this

1250
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:16,510
miraculous thing just one time of course

1251
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:17,980
some could say well it only took one

1252
00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:21,370
time maybe if it's one time out of ten

1253
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:23,560
thousand that you could fire it so many

1254
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:25,960
times and hit the target and then it

1255
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:31,510
never happens again who knows you could

1256
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:34,960
do it one out of ten thousand times but

1257
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:37,450
I guess that's a side from the point you

1258
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:40,470
know what what is the answer to the

1259
00:56:49,610 --> 00:56:43,780
kennedy assassination that seems like oh

1260
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:49,620
boy aside from what went down that day

1261
00:56:54,510 --> 00:56:52,510
definitely changed the direction the

1262
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,520
country was heading

1263
00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:57,280
okay so you have every theory involved

1264
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:00,940
here it's a CIA it's organized crime

1265
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:04,450
it's organized crime and the CIA it's

1266
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:06,850
President Johnson because it happened in

1267
00:57:14,490 --> 00:57:10,060
Texas on his turf and he had the most to

1268
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:14,500
gain or as cliff Clavin on the sitcom

1269
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:19,090
chairs theorized the might have been the

1270
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:21,970
Beatles in a four way triangulation of

1271
00:57:28,350 --> 00:57:25,900
gunfire well that's what's so funny

1272
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:28,360
about the JFK thing and Roswell a lot of

1273
00:57:32,609 --> 00:57:30,460
these things that it you'll probably

1274
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,619
never get an answer to it but the way

1275
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:35,200
you know the way that atom looks at it

1276
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:36,790
and some of the people that he's read

1277
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:38,740
and and what he's passed on is that

1278
00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:40,840
that's not the point the point is the

1279
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:42,940
point is looking at it and looking at it

1280
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:45,520
in different ways as a mental exercise I

1281
00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:48,460
think yes particular case though a

1282
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:51,190
mental exercise at least as far as I'm

1283
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:53,290
concerned the mental exercise factor

1284
00:58:03,120 --> 00:57:57,460
doesn't cut it because if it wasn't just

1285
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:03,130
some lone gunman some crazy former you

1286
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:05,890
know former defector to the Soviet Union

1287
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:07,480
who comes back here and does wacky

1288
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:10,840
things if it's not him who did it why

1289
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:13,090
can't we get to the bottom of it do you

1290
00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:15,609
think we can I

1291
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:18,700
I think we're it's too far past I think

1292
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:23,020
a lot of principle players probably died

1293
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:25,750
on oddly enough I'm going to be working

1294
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:29,340
on a Kennedy assassination Brooke

1295
00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:32,020
related to Kerry Thornley here and I've

1296
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:35,859
had I have a bunch of materials and I'm

1297
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:37,330
probably going to spend a couple of

1298
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:41,410
years doing that I mean Jean I suspect

1299
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:46,630
it was there's a like you said a lot of

1300
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:49,920
people involved with a lot of

1301
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:54,640
motivations rogue agents of perhaps our

1302
00:59:02,210 --> 00:58:57,240
intelligence agencies

1303
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:02,220
in bed with mafiosos and you know so

1304
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,440
much time has passed it's hard to find

1305
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:07,260
smoking good I think a lot of people

1306
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:09,990
have been on to things like Jim Garrison

1307
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:14,130
might have had part of it right but you

1308
00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:17,340
know was there were so many different

1309
00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:19,580
elements involved in you know his

1310
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:21,840
investigation got infiltrated by

1311
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:24,980
intelligence foots and probably fed him

1312
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:28,250
disinformation I guess the bottom line

1313
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:31,500
it's going to be hard ever getting to

1314
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:34,770
the final truth about the subject even

1315
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:37,230
though I'm still dough being into that

1316
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:40,530
Kerry Thornley the guy wrote the book

1317
00:59:48,650 --> 00:59:43,050
about the founder of discordianism was

1318
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:48,660
also indicted as part of the group by

1319
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:50,760
Jim Garrison the group in New Orleans

1320
00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:54,570
that supposedly engineered the a Kennedy

1321
01:00:02,420 --> 00:59:56,580
assassination that's covered in the

1322
01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:02,430
movie JFK so I died I've done nothing

1323
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:06,359
gene to answer your question but it

1324
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:08,730
seems like an impossible question to

1325
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:09,270
answer

1326
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:10,950
you kind of state the problem it always

1327
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:14,730
goes back to solving any age-old mystery

1328
01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:16,710
let's go back to Roswell New Mexico what

1329
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:18,900
happened there isn't it too late to find

1330
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,850
out I think so I think so you know and I

1331
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:26,400
haven't looked into it as much as you

1332
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:31,770
have or greg has but I've looked into it

1333
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,480
enough that you have you have these

1334
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:35,460
thing things same things going on you

1335
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:37,950
have a lot of alternate theories there

1336
01:00:42,790 --> 01:00:39,810
might be some disinformation it might

1337
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:42,800
have been a disinformation thing to be

1338
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:48,330
in with the UFO cover stories and many

1339
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:51,510
many years after the effects or many

1340
01:00:57,460 --> 01:00:54,270
years after the fact you have these

1341
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,470
witnesses come forward like the

1342
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:00,480
individual unit viewed in Roswell a few

1343
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:03,330
years ago great but you know it's like

1344
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:06,650
how many years after the original

1345
01:01:13,150 --> 01:01:09,470
what 50 when did that happens thank you

1346
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:13,160
47 yeah and this fell is coming we

1347
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:17,600
talked to him in 2007 why so long you

1348
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:18,460
know

1349
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:21,920
less we wonder about the Roswell case we

1350
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:24,890
really didn't hear much until the book

1351
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:26,690
with Charles Berlitz and William Moore

1352
01:01:29,710 --> 01:01:28,550
came out I guess Stanton Friedman was

1353
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:29,720
involved in that book too

1354
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:33,260
about Roswell late 1970s we didn't hear

1355
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:36,170
anything about it in the 40s or 50s or

1356
01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:39,860
60s yeah suddenly in the late 70s we

1357
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:42,560
dredge up these memories and as I've

1358
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:43,970
always said you know we're asking people

1359
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:46,910
to recall something that happened

1360
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decades earlier it had a lifetime of

1361
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experiences and how the heck can you

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depend on them to deliver an accurate

1363
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memory unless there's some paper trail

1364
01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:59,860
they could refer to yeah it seems like

1365
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well having these discussion I've had

1366
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these discussions with brain before it's

1367
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like there's only so much we can get out

1368
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of the Roswell story it's probably been

1369
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time to move on for quite some time well

1370
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I think we've said that in the power

1371
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cast we don't do much Roswell anymore

1372
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:20,720
and we've had a couple of shows about

1373
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Aztec but we're still waiting for Scott

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Ramsay's book on the Aztec case when

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that book comes out you know we'll have

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the ultimate debate with Scott Ramsey

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hopefully Kevin Randall who doesn't

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believe it and we'll leave it be unless

1379
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there's some compelling evidence we have

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Adam go Riley our co-host is Greg Bishop

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1469
01:07:37,150 --> 01:07:34,970
are talking to Adam go Riley and I have

1470
01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:37,160
no idea why he hasn't been on before why

1471
01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:38,780
haven't you been on the show before I

1472
01:07:44,380 --> 01:07:41,420
know we almost scheduled you once and it

1473
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:44,390
didn't come about so this came about at

1474
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short notice I'm glad you're finally

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here

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01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,620
to share all this stuff so if we're

1477
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:50,240
looking at all the conspiracy theories

1478
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:54,170
and the JFK assassination is numero uno

1479
01:08:00,220 --> 01:07:57,490
although some go into 9/11 conspiracies

1480
01:08:02,380 --> 01:08:00,230
which major conspiracies do you think

1481
01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:02,390
it's just made up of whole cloth there's

1482
01:08:15,550 --> 01:08:05,300
no truth to the conspiracy aspect it is

1483
01:08:18,130 --> 01:08:15,560
as people have been told it is it always

1484
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seems to be a little grain of something

1485
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:19,940
there that makes you go huh that's what

1486
01:08:24,910 --> 01:08:21,710
I was gonna say Greg it's like the

1487
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,920
Montauk thing if you read house 1 bond

1488
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:26,960
talk books it's like what a bunch of

1489
01:08:33,940 --> 01:08:31,520
crazy craziness but then I think the

1490
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,950
teller there's what the Montauk stuff is

1491
01:08:38,559 --> 01:08:35,839
by the way because not everyone has

1492
01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:38,569
followed all this inside stuff oh good

1493
01:08:45,579 --> 01:08:42,350
can you help me well there's a lot of

1494
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:45,589
different aspects to that story the main

1495
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:47,900
gist of it is there's some sort of

1496
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secret base underground at Montauk point

1497
01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:53,960
at the end of Long Island in New York

1498
01:08:58,530 --> 01:08:54,920
State

1499
01:09:01,870 --> 01:08:58,540
wears all kinds of different experiments

1500
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:01,880
went on there might be some connections

1501
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,910
to the Philadelphia Experiment where

1502
01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:06,799
that ship supposedly disappeared in

1503
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,380
Philadelphia Naval Yard and it gets more

1504
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:11,600
and more and more insane as you look at

1505
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:12,770
it kind of like the Kennedy

1506
01:09:16,599 --> 01:09:15,020
assassination of Roswell but yeah even

1507
01:09:20,650 --> 01:09:16,609
or insane I mean then there's other

1508
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:20,660
things like the Cathy O'Brien's book the

1509
01:09:24,460 --> 01:09:23,150
transformation of America which is if

1510
01:09:26,380 --> 01:09:24,470
you don't know about that you can get a

1511
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:26,390
copy of it and you don't believe any of

1512
01:09:29,070 --> 01:09:27,920
this stuff it'll give you a great laugh

1513
01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:29,080
yeah

1514
01:09:34,860 --> 01:09:31,380
that's a good example the Cathy O'Brien

1515
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:34,870
with Cathy O'Brien book basically

1516
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:37,090
presented the theory that she was part

1517
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:41,200
of this MKULTRA program called Project

1518
01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:42,010
monarch

1519
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:45,880
love the Cathy O'Brien story that's a

1520
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,060
good one to bring up the book is called

1521
01:09:56,340 --> 01:09:52,000
transformation in America and she

1522
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:56,350
claimed to be a subject of MKULTRA which

1523
01:10:01,710 --> 01:09:58,330
I'm assuming gene a lot of your

1524
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:01,720
listeners have at least some idea of

1525
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:04,960
what MKULTRA was right I think they do I

1526
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:06,490
think they have a sense of it but maybe

1527
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:08,350
you can give us the Reader's Digest

1528
01:10:15,870 --> 01:10:12,400
version it started basically I think

1529
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:15,880
around 1952 which is an interesting year

1530
01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:20,290
and ufology and Jack Parsons blew

1531
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:22,180
himself up that you're in a lot of weird

1532
01:10:27,420 --> 01:10:23,830
things are going on but was around that

1533
01:10:31,530 --> 01:10:27,430
period that MKULTRA started which was

1534
01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:31,540
basically the CIA looking into how can

1535
01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:34,600
how to control minds and it was a

1536
01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:37,240
project exempt of congressional

1537
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:40,990
oversight clandestine they were looking

1538
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:45,990
at using different drugs and techniques

1539
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:48,610
ultimately perhaps to create a

1540
01:10:52,980 --> 01:10:51,610
Manchurian Candidate like you see as in

1541
01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:52,990
like in the movie The Manchurian

1542
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,060
Candidate so that's the interesting

1543
01:10:59,010 --> 01:10:56,800
question too about conspiracy theories

1544
01:11:03,720 --> 01:10:59,020
how much of that book was based on

1545
01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:03,730
reality yeah how much was reality how

1546
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:07,720
much was propaganda it was it's a great

1547
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:10,180
novel The Manchurian Candidate to begin

1548
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:13,960
with and a great movie was made from

1549
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:17,170
that book with Frankie Sinatra and the

1550
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:19,540
one with Denzel what's-his-name Denzel

1551
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:21,940
Denzel Washington I thought that was

1552
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,520
basically a poor imitation of the

1553
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:27,760
original yeah you know it the movie

1554
01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:31,120
itself might have been partly and the

1555
01:11:38,609 --> 01:11:35,560
book disinformation or propaganda that

1556
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:38,619
was basically saying that

1557
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:41,170
a lot of those techniques were practiced

1558
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:48,369
by communists Chinese Koreans and but it

1559
01:11:56,819 --> 01:11:51,369
actually could be argued that a lot of

1560
01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:56,829
that started in that type of we want to

1561
01:12:01,080 --> 01:11:59,050
call a psychological warfare started

1562
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:01,090
with our own intelligence agencies and

1563
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:04,480
perhaps with that's Nazi Germany and it

1564
01:12:10,799 --> 01:12:07,210
was incorporated into our intelligence

1565
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:10,809
agencies with Project Paperclip you know

1566
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:12,130
what here's the six degrees of

1567
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:15,130
separation again the lake ID who played

1568
01:12:20,339 --> 01:12:17,860
this mind control expert in the movie

1569
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:20,349
Manchurian Candidate later became a

1570
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:22,690
regular guest on the most famous

1571
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:25,090
paranormal radio show of all long John

1572
01:12:31,859 --> 01:12:29,050
Neville really where did you pull that

1573
01:12:33,629 --> 01:12:31,869
one up I was there and the funny thing

1574
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:33,639
is here's another degree of separation

1575
01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:36,489
Long John nibbles was married to candy

1576
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:39,969
Jones and she's a whole story behind on

1577
01:12:44,609 --> 01:12:42,520
her about as possible CIA mind control

1578
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:44,619
which a book was written called the

1579
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:46,449
control of candy Jones again you know

1580
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:49,329
something else given a story to Jim

1581
01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:51,250
Moe's their old friend Jim Mosely new

1582
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:52,989
candy Jones fairly well after a long

1583
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:55,420
John died he went on her radio show she

1584
01:13:01,470 --> 01:12:58,150
continued the show for a while after

1585
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:01,480
John's death and he talked to the

1586
01:13:06,629 --> 01:13:04,030
producer of the show sandy teller who

1587
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:06,639
also produced long johns show and it was

1588
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:08,590
conveyed to him pretty much that this

1589
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:11,770
mind control stuff was just a shtick it

1590
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:14,230
never really happened let me bring this

1591
01:13:20,609 --> 01:13:16,449
full circle now we started with Cathy

1592
01:13:24,029 --> 01:13:20,619
O'Brien's cook and we basically painted

1593
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:24,039
the picture of what MKULTRA was and what

1594
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:26,170
you know you're asking what conspiracies

1595
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:29,230
are totally bunk and I don't know the

1596
01:13:36,779 --> 01:13:33,550
MKULTRA and the candy Jones and the

1597
01:13:39,870 --> 01:13:36,789
Cathy O'Brien is totally bunk but what

1598
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:39,880
enters into all of this is that there's

1599
01:13:46,940 --> 01:13:43,409
some level of disinformation and perhaps

1600
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:46,950
candy Jones and Cathy O'Brien

1601
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:49,140
I've been fed disinformation which leads

1602
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:53,030
to some of their stories about all that

1603
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,420
can't Cathy O'Brien saw Dick Cheney turn

1604
01:14:02,000 --> 01:13:59,760
into a reptilian and all these type of

1605
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:02,010
well that's nothing unusual what's

1606
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:07,260
mysterious about that I have no answer

1607
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:09,510
well I understand this network is gonna

1608
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:12,390
be on my tail right now as a result of

1609
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that because remember the most famous

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act most famous performer on the gcn

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Network is Alex Jones so you know so

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then he's gonna be happy to hear this

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stuff hey that's right maybe Alex will

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put us on his show and we'll get all

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this promotion Alex are you listening

1616
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you know one of my favorite parts of

1617
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doing all this publishing and writing is

1618
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the strange people that you get to meet

1619
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and the letters you get and all that

1620
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what are some of your favorites just

1621
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just from a I guess from an

1622
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entertainment standpoint one of them

1623
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will Jima I liked his stuff oh yeah

1624
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that's that's great I want to do more

1625
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with well Jima I think I sent you a CD

1626
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how how would you how would you describe

1627
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him brain well will Jima sounds like

1628
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some guy from the South that got

1629
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fascinated with the UFO subject and then

1630
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just started parroting all the weirdest

1631
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stories he'd ever heard and repeating

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them back as a reality and hooking them

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all together in some kind of grand

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conspiracy in his mind and he's got to I

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guess a record or a tape he put out and

1636
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you send me a copy of this it's just him

1637
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describing how the how the aliens have

1638
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taken over and every time he says

1639
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however he says hi ever say what if he

1640
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says the word k ik believe me it's a

1641
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problem I'll tell you that name soon and

1642
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you might know what that means correct

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Greg Bishop I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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we are the GC and radio network you're

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in a power chest our guest is Adam go

1749
01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:36,850
Riley I'm gene Steinberg and we're

1750
01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:40,360
trying to explain what K ik means I have

1751
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:42,670
no idea what you're talking about kid

1752
01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:46,030
what does that mean Kaz ika does that

1753
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:46,750
make sense

1754
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:49,210
well it's something that was in the book

1755
01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:51,970
about the three men in black written by

1756
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:55,480
Albert K bender okay it's coming back to

1757
01:21:00,240 --> 01:20:58,090
me yeah and the book okay now let's go

1758
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:00,250
back to the history of this the three

1759
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,830
men in black coined by the late great

1760
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:05,920
bar Kerr he talks of an Albert K bender

1761
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:08,050
had the small UFO organization in the

1762
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:11,170
early 50s when the organization folds as

1763
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,570
many organizations did he said he had

1764
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been visited by three men in dark suits

1765
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:18,190
or black suits who said you know what

1766
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you know too much shut up get out of

1767
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this and Barker of course embellished

1768
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this created his masterpiece of a book

1769
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:27,100
they knew too much about flying saucers

1770
01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:29,350
which made him quite a bit of money and

1771
01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:32,140
then some years later Albert K bender

1772
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:34,660
comes back into the public eye and he

1773
01:21:40,650 --> 01:21:37,570
says he met them that the three men in

1774
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:40,660
black were in government agents et and

1775
01:21:44,820 --> 01:21:42,940
he wrote this book called flying saucers

1776
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:44,830
in the three men that Graybar could

1777
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,960
probably heavily edited

1778
01:21:52,570 --> 01:21:50,480
the word cake was used in that book

1779
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:52,580
forget about it was the planet that this

1780
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:54,110
supposedly these people were from

1781
01:22:01,060 --> 01:21:56,750
exactly

1782
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:01,070
somebody told me that well I would say

1783
01:22:06,970 --> 01:22:04,310
this bender gave lectures telling the

1784
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story so it was based on his stuff I am

1785
01:22:11,980 --> 01:22:10,010
sure that bender wrote a book gave it to

1786
01:22:14,710 --> 01:22:11,990
gray Barker to publish and gray Barker

1787
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:14,720
wrote the book that you read based on

1788
01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:17,090
whatever material he got from bender in

1789
01:22:22,510 --> 01:22:20,180
the same way that who's the underground

1790
01:22:25,020 --> 01:22:22,520
guy from the 50s with with the D Rho and

1791
01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:25,030
materoa sure Richard shaver in the

1792
01:22:31,060 --> 01:22:28,820
nineties crazy things gave him to the

1793
01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:31,070
editor of fate magazine and he Republic

1794
01:22:34,930 --> 01:22:32,390
rewrote them and published them it

1795
01:22:36,850 --> 01:22:34,940
became that the greatest selling issues

1796
01:22:38,050 --> 01:22:36,860
of faith that there ever were actually

1797
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:38,060
was this amazing stories magazine

1798
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:42,020
original design magazine and basically

1799
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:44,780
shaver sent this stuff to Ray Palmer and

1800
01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:47,350
Palmer took the basic very factual

1801
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:49,460
straightforward material at shaver wrote

1802
01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:52,310
and he created science fiction novels or

1803
01:22:57,460 --> 01:22:54,860
short stories from them and then Palmer

1804
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:57,470
and the late Kurt fuller founded fade

1805
01:23:01,660 --> 01:22:59,150
magazine and they include some of

1806
01:23:04,540 --> 01:23:01,670
shavers material there Palmer went off

1807
01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:04,550
to himself his own business I never got

1808
01:23:10,780 --> 01:23:07,430
the clarification as to the breakup with

1809
01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:10,790
Curtis Fuller was amicable or what but

1810
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:12,590
Palmer did his own thing and eventually

1811
01:23:16,810 --> 01:23:15,290
he and shaver didn't get along well then

1812
01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:16,820
shaver went on and started doing these

1813
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:19,820
strange did a whole book of paintings he

1814
01:23:24,730 --> 01:23:22,130
had made based on slicing into rocks

1815
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,740
that he said had paintings of the time

1816
01:23:28,990 --> 01:23:26,960
of the earth before Atlantis or

1817
01:23:31,150 --> 01:23:29,000
something like the holographic rocks

1818
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:31,160
rock books and guess why folks

1819
01:23:35,770 --> 01:23:33,890
I knew shaver then I visited him in his

1820
01:23:39,340 --> 01:23:35,780
home with my first wife Geneva we

1821
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:39,350
visited shaver we saw the rock books and

1822
01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:41,330
after a while you know maybe it's the

1823
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,790
Rorschach test again we got to see

1824
01:23:47,860 --> 01:23:45,920
things in those pictures they actually

1825
01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:47,870
did a showing of those some of those

1826
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,360
shaver carvings whatever you want to

1827
01:23:53,550 --> 01:23:51,520
call them and

1828
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:53,560
about a your good she goes see that

1829
01:23:58,140 --> 01:23:55,450
great now I heard about it too late

1830
01:24:00,180 --> 01:23:58,150
there was an exhibit of the the painting

1831
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,190
that are selling for quite a bit right

1832
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:02,560
now I should have thought we had an

1833
01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:04,930
awful lot of Richard shavers materials

1834
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:07,540
as we moved around the country that

1835
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:09,730
stuff kind of fell by the wayside big

1836
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:13,380
too bad we didn't finish with Adams

1837
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:15,490
partial description of some of his

1838
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:17,530
favorite cooks and the UFO and

1839
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:19,480
paranormal well you know maybe there's

1840
01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:21,970
areas besides you and I well you know

1841
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:25,030
okay so Adam okay coupe central name a

1842
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:28,120
few more I don't think it's quite nice

1843
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:31,510
to refer to them as Kooks I resemble

1844
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:34,720
that word let's call them free thinkers

1845
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:37,690
okay okay I can do that a really

1846
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:41,170
fascinating character I met and I'm

1847
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:42,670
still continuing to have conversations

1848
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:45,370
with this individual I wrote a couple of

1849
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:47,830
articles about him

1850
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:50,170
his name is Jeffrey Turner he lives in

1851
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:53,470
Santa Cruz California and he's actually

1852
01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:56,050
the subject of a movie called

1853
01:25:02,460 --> 01:24:59,010
I think we're alone now about

1854
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:02,470
enthusiasts of the singer Tiffany okay

1855
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:04,090
here we go now to give you the six

1856
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:06,850
degrees of separation Tommy James who

1857
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,410
sang the song I think we're alone now

1858
01:25:14,510 --> 01:25:10,960
was a flying saucer buff there you go

1859
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:14,520
yeah it's all interconnected mr Turner I

1860
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:18,310
really came he came to my attention was

1861
01:25:23,850 --> 01:25:20,890
on some internet group and somebody

1862
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:23,860
posted something about Tuesday Weld

1863
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,290
being Illuminati High Priestess Tuesday

1864
01:25:36,180 --> 01:25:31,600
Weld was an actress in the 50s and 60s

1865
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:36,190
you know I have a blonde bimbo type we

1866
01:25:40,980 --> 01:25:38,020
never took her too seriously but she was

1867
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:40,990
really gorgeous there was high priestess

1868
01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:43,630
of the Illuminati see there was design

1869
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:45,880
design for you not taking her too

1870
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:48,460
seriously she never did want to get too

1871
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:51,010
popular because she was more effective

1872
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:53,050
according to my source Jeffrey Dean

1873
01:25:59,970 --> 01:25:56,580
Turner kind of working behind the scenes

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influencing Hollywood she influenced the

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whole psychedelic music scene

1876
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:05,710
Tuesday Weld mm-hmm and I've written

1877
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:10,090
about this in a few places one is the

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anthology secret and supress put out by

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feral house and edited by Ken Thomas so

1880
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he's one of my favorite we won't call

1881
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him Kooks we call them free thinkers

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okay Thomas is certainly one of our

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favorite conspiracy theory persons no

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kid kids are now now kook I'll say that

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because he's a friend of my name okay so

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he's going to post on the power cast

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forums at for America stock and he's

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going to say I resemble that remark

1889
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Jim Thomas is also a boil on the ass of

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ethology him and Jim oh you mean just

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like just like John yeah he'll use that

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phrase about Jim Mosley he was talking

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about himself it just bounces back and

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sticks to him how much speeding of keel

1895
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how much tequila affect you his writings

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when you first read them I told you his

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whole theory about the super spectrum

1898
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and how that kind of explained my own

1899
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experience yeah greatly influenced me as

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he did you Greg you know what can you

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say it I mean the books themselves the

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lock man prophecies and operation Trojan

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horse I mean everything else aside

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they're just entertaining wild fun rides

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you know he was one of the guys out

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there doing a lot of fun stuff writing

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great books and you know how much is

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true

1909
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how much is embellishment I don't know

1910
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if it matters in the final analysis were

1911
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creating myths here so you think a lot

1912
01:28:01,140 --> 01:27:58,600
of his stuff was was or some of it

1913
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anyway significant enough to mention was

1914
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:05,290
was purely made-up John feel well no and

1915
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I think he might have been around by the

1916
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nose a little bit too and this might be

1917
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something that's been covered on the

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pair of cast but I had my own podcast

1919
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for a while and tamed dimensions and a

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frequent guest on there was Allan

1921
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Greenfield who I know is a friend of mr.

1922
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Steinberg oh god we've known each other

1923
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since the dinosaurs ruled the earth no

1924
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that was Brad Steiger and what did I ask

1925
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him somehow the interview eventually we

1926
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were talking about the whole MIB things

1927
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and some of the weird calls that killed

1928
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was getting back in the day you know

1929
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mechanical weird sounding voice and

1930
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:54,130
Allan Greenfield also received some of

1931
01:29:00,000 --> 01:28:57,190
these calls it's I forget exactly the

1932
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eminent doing this coming on such and

1933
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such date you must cease with your

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efforts to reveal the UFO whatever and

1935
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so that he got one of those messages

1936
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back around the same time John Key was

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getting some of those strange sounding

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things and he was at a dinner one night

1939
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or something of that one of these things

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about doing a commercial radio show is

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when you get to the pace - resistance

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to drink perfect we have Adam go rightly

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he is a certified crackpot historian

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which means he must be writing about me

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and I don't know about it Greg Bishop is

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Greg Bishop is the co-host trying his

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best to imitate a trickster Adam girl

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right Lee is our certified crackpot

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historian I'm Jean Steinberger in the

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para cast and before we broke Adam was

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going to give us the pasty resistance of

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his story please do tell

2069
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so Greenfield ends up one evening over a

2070
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few adult beverages with guess was with

2071
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Mosley I'm not sure if Barker was there

2072
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well Jim was very good about adult

2073
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beverages and so was great

2074
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and so Ray's big adult beverage was beer

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he was great with a couple of six-packs

2076
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of beer I heard he had quite the well to

2077
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the story so we'll do another show on

2078
01:35:07,130 --> 01:35:02,880
gray Barker's drinking predilections or

2079
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about the VAT 69 gold that Jim Mosley

2080
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:11,030
used to drink and so let's just assume

2081
01:35:16,730 --> 01:35:13,980
remember the story exactly it's on the

2082
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old nineteen donations podcast archives

2083
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:19,620
Benitez Greenfield recounts this

2084
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mechanical voice in a year or so since

2085
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it happened

2086
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Mosley basically said had she figured

2087
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out who was calling you that was myself

2088
01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:34,710
in Barker after you know having a few

2089
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rounds of that 23 or whatever pulling

2090
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your chain and then I asked Greenfield

2091
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:44,580
look sounds remarkably similar to the

2092
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calls that John kill was getting in

2093
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Greenfield basically said yes isn't that

2094
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:54,000
interesting and it probably was them

2095
01:35:57,890 --> 01:35:56,460
yeah well that's of course some of the

2096
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weird things in Mosley do I'll give you

2097
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a synchronicity remember Wanaque

2098
01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:05,820
Reservoir New Jersey in the 1960s so Jim

2099
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Mosley and I are seated I forget maybe

2100
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:10,710
in his apartment in Fort Lee New Jersey

2101
01:36:16,190 --> 01:36:13,290
and Jim picks up the phone calls the

2102
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police department in that part of New

2103
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Jersey and basically gives in from

2104
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by UFO sighting and then over the

2105
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reservoir few days later people see UFOs

2106
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:25,110
I don't say it was more than a

2107
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coincidence of course in those days we

2108
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didn't have caller ID so they wouldn't

2109
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know who was calling them they couldn't

2110
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of course use a 911 or something to find

2111
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:39,570
him yeah you know that speaks to weird

2112
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experiences like you know some of this

2113
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stunt like I said before we saw the

2114
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things we joked what if we saw some UFOs

2115
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now there's that trickster element to

2116
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the whole thing and maybe we are part of

2117
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the experience or maybe our wish for the

2118
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experience generates it or being afraid

2119
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:05,790
of it also causes the problem to occur

2120
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you know like John keel said to run is

2121
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an invitation to be chased exactly yeah

2122
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well a lot of this going on and then

2123
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Adam I have talked about this and gene

2124
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you and I have talked about it as people

2125
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seem to forget that a lot of it is it is

2126
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made invisible by half of it being our

2127
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reaction to whatever it is half of what

2128
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we think is going on with the UFO thing

2129
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is our reaction to it I think well I

2130
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think you know that sense maybe we

2131
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participate in the phenomenon that the

2132
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phenomenon does not always exist

2133
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separate from us yeah I mean it's that

2134
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way with anything but when you're

2135
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talking about something that you can't

2136
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hold is something that you can't repeat

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of something that isn't available upon

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then our reactions and our belief

2141
01:38:02,270 --> 01:37:59,610
systems and what we expect and all that

2142
01:38:04,010 --> 01:38:02,280
play a large part in it and this is

2143
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:04,020
another thing that Adam might have

2144
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:08,010
talked about for years so you do you

2145
01:38:15,859 --> 01:38:11,250
kind of see it that way yeah yeah it's

2146
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:15,869
all the perception and I've listened to

2147
01:38:21,260 --> 01:38:19,050
your show and the pair cast some and

2148
01:38:24,410 --> 01:38:21,270
you've delved into these areas before

2149
01:38:27,620 --> 01:38:24,420
you know the cultural filters and all

2150
01:38:30,540 --> 01:38:27,630
that stuff it's like

2151
01:38:35,279 --> 01:38:30,550
therefore people in different ages

2152
01:38:38,250 --> 01:38:35,289
looking at whatever we have our cultural

2153
01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:38,260
filters placed on top of our perceptions

2154
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,070
and it's all perception well where do

2155
01:38:48,929 --> 01:38:43,840
you think it comes from then what causes

2156
01:38:52,469 --> 01:38:48,939
the UFO reports your media what causes

2157
01:38:55,589 --> 01:38:52,479
the UFO I think well the reports I mean

2158
01:39:00,439 --> 01:38:55,599
there's a lot of stuff out there in the

2159
01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:00,449
sky that is a combination of airplanes

2160
01:39:09,839 --> 01:39:05,260
and people doing pranks like you Greg

2161
01:39:13,379 --> 01:39:09,849
and when we were talking about rocket

2162
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:13,389
launches and maybe some experimental

2163
01:39:21,629 --> 01:39:17,369
aircraft going on and maybe some true

2164
01:39:24,839 --> 01:39:21,639
phenomena it seems like recently been

2165
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:24,849
overrun with oh god I'm getting tired of

2166
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:28,570
all these YouTube things are getting put

2167
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,590
out of UFO reports well you know we had

2168
01:39:36,750 --> 01:39:34,239
some in New York City look like balloons

2169
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:36,760
and yeah everybody was talking about it

2170
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:39,760
just a week or two ago I mean if you get

2171
01:39:45,149 --> 01:39:42,489
on YouTube and some of these lists you

2172
01:39:48,890 --> 01:39:45,159
have all these here's the new amazing

2173
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:48,900
UFO footage today and it's blurry

2174
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:52,209
nothing it's like is our people

2175
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,840
intentionally trying to like this

2176
01:40:01,469 --> 01:39:57,840
marginalized all filled with a bunch of

2177
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:01,479
crap well when I said what they what do

2178
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,329
you think causes UFO reports what I

2179
01:40:09,989 --> 01:40:06,639
think maybe was asking is if there's any

2180
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:09,999
reality to it meaning if there's an

2181
01:40:13,949 --> 01:40:11,650
actual cause and not just things that

2182
01:40:16,859 --> 01:40:13,959
we're making up ourselves where do you

2183
01:40:20,759 --> 01:40:16,869
think that comes from where do you think

2184
01:40:21,899 --> 01:40:20,769
what's the source of that stimulus and

2185
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:21,909
I'm including everything you know

2186
01:40:26,610 --> 01:40:24,570
abductions sightings Close Encounters

2187
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:26,620
everything

2188
01:40:33,550 --> 01:40:29,840
hmmm I think people are having some

2189
01:40:39,190 --> 01:40:33,560
Gendler generally strange experiences

2190
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:39,200
and they need to put it in that box

2191
01:40:45,610 --> 01:40:41,450
whatever we want to call it call it

2192
01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:45,620
something and so I think that's what's

2193
01:40:53,530 --> 01:40:49,490
going on with a lot of DET abduction

2194
01:40:57,790 --> 01:40:53,540
stories and I don't think it's hard to

2195
01:41:00,700 --> 01:40:57,800
identify these things with must ET

2196
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:00,710
abduction stories there's no UFO craft

2197
01:41:09,730 --> 01:41:04,010
involved says strange little entities

2198
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:09,740
that float into the room or like come

2199
01:41:16,270 --> 01:41:12,050
out of the walls you know at least you

2200
01:41:20,170 --> 01:41:16,280
sound like going back to jot the ling

2201
01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:20,180
passport - magana by the way neighbors I

2202
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:22,340
have to tell you this we were talking to

2203
01:41:26,350 --> 01:41:24,080
Jack fillet he's working with a

2204
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,360
co-author on a new book and he may

2205
01:41:29,770 --> 01:41:28,400
return to the power cast in the very

2206
01:41:32,860 --> 01:41:29,780
very near future

2207
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:32,870
hey I'm encouraged I heard a shot fillet

2208
01:41:38,830 --> 01:41:35,570
on another radio show I say what rate

2209
01:41:43,210 --> 01:41:38,840
issue it was but last night and it

2210
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:43,220
sounds like he's kind of picking up the

2211
01:41:48,850 --> 01:41:46,010
torch that he passed along about 30

2212
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:48,860
years ago and continuing on with his

2213
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:51,550
research I find that very encouraging

2214
01:41:55,540 --> 01:41:54,050
well how did he sound I mean what did he

2215
01:41:58,150 --> 01:41:55,550
say anything that needed to be said or

2216
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:58,160
anything new that you noticed well I

2217
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:01,130
think so he's looking at it tonight do

2218
01:42:05,890 --> 01:42:03,050
you know listen to like half the

2219
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,900
interview but he's trying to take a lot

2220
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:07,940
of the things he wrote about in his

2221
01:42:15,550 --> 01:42:11,420
previous books and once again use a

2222
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:15,560
little scientific scrutiny to want to

2223
01:42:22,020 --> 01:42:18,380
look these reports and continue building

2224
01:42:26,230 --> 01:42:22,030
that database and he has certain

2225
01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:26,240
criteria you know as well to make make

2226
01:42:31,220 --> 01:42:28,380
this research valid

2227
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:31,230
do you think that is because a lot of

2228
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:33,090
people think that he's very rigidly

2229
01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:35,340
scientific and if you know anything

2230
01:42:41,330 --> 01:42:37,230
about ballet it seems like he's got his

2231
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:41,340
foot in a couple of different realms one

2232
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:43,590
being the hard science but another being

2233
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:46,290
for instance he used to go to meetings

2234
01:42:52,090 --> 01:42:50,250
in the 1970s with people like I think

2235
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,100
Pooh horik Andrea Pooh Herrick the

2236
01:42:59,630 --> 01:42:54,960
paranormal researcher psychedelic

2237
01:43:02,690 --> 01:42:59,640
researcher and of all people Anton LaVey

2238
01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:02,700
I believe so he's travelled in some some

2239
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:04,230
circles that people wouldn't really

2240
01:43:08,990 --> 01:43:06,030
normally think of a scientist traveling

2241
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:09,000
in but I think possibly that informs his

2242
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:10,530
opinion a lot of these things in them

2243
01:43:16,190 --> 01:43:13,890
and in a helpful way well yeah I think

2244
01:43:19,070 --> 01:43:16,200
he's interested in quantum physics and

2245
01:43:22,430 --> 01:43:19,080
all these things but I also think he

2246
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:22,440
realizes if he wants his work to be

2247
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:25,530
taken seriously then there has to be

2248
01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:27,690
that element there where he's

2249
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:31,020
approaching it in a scientific way and

2250
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:33,530
that that makes perfect sense to me

2251
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:35,730
yeah well he's doing he's doing both

2252
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:37,680
he's presenting it as science but he's

2253
01:43:42,980 --> 01:43:40,050
also using all these other influences to

2254
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:42,990
kind of inform it but maybe not you know

2255
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:44,970
presented as the scientific part of his

2256
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:47,730
opinion and the the whole of his work is

2257
01:43:54,290 --> 01:43:52,110
is is is not all you know hard science

2258
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:54,300
and data some of it has has elements of

2259
01:44:01,010 --> 01:43:56,730
sociology and in some of those elements

2260
01:44:03,770 --> 01:44:01,020
even dare I say of bits of artistic

2261
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:03,780
vision and ritual magic in them but very

2262
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:05,730
well grounded in this scientific

2263
01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:09,750
viewpoint and logical viewpoint wouldn't

2264
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:11,670
you say I'll tell you what I'll let him

2265
01:44:18,770 --> 01:44:16,890
give you the answer but not yet well you

2266
01:44:21,110 --> 01:44:18,780
know we have to take care of a piece of

2267
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:21,120
business first then he can talk Adam go

2268
01:44:25,970 --> 01:44:23,070
rightly joining us this week on the

2269
01:44:28,190 --> 01:44:25,980
podcast our co-host is Greg Bishop I'm

2270
01:44:36,570 --> 01:44:28,200
gene Steinberg and once again you're in

2271
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2285
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2286
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2287
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2288
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2296
01:46:07,970 --> 01:46:05,190
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2297
01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:07,980
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2298
01:46:12,380 --> 01:46:09,630
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2299
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:12,390
co-host is Greg Bishop and Greg asked

2300
01:46:17,450 --> 01:46:14,940
you a question Adam before our hourly

2301
01:46:23,110 --> 01:46:17,460
break and now it's your turn to give the

2302
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:23,120
answer no idea kind of have to remember

2303
01:46:28,750 --> 01:46:26,010
when she asked me Greg I know you're

2304
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:28,760
talking about Elaine how he wants his

2305
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:31,650
research presented in a scientific way

2306
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:34,380
and all the other odd angles he was

2307
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,980
looking into such as in messengers of

2308
01:46:43,970 --> 01:46:40,080
deception that there was this trickster

2309
01:46:46,850 --> 01:46:43,980
element involved with it and seemed like

2310
01:46:49,490 --> 01:46:46,860
these things are trying to deceive us

2311
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:49,500
and I think what you rephrase your

2312
01:46:54,740 --> 01:46:52,410
question yeah well my question I think

2313
01:46:57,770 --> 01:46:54,750
that we started out with before I

2314
01:47:02,840 --> 01:46:57,780
probably changed the subject what do you

2315
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:02,850
think the source of the specifically UFO

2316
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:05,670
or you know UFO sightings come from what

2317
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:07,050
do you think that source is if it's not

2318
01:47:12,530 --> 01:47:10,410
if you eliminate misidentifications and

2319
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:12,540
hoaxes and all the mundane things that

2320
01:47:17,780 --> 01:47:15,210
can be explained what do you think at

2321
01:47:21,770 --> 01:47:17,790
least personally right now in your

2322
01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:21,780
evolution of opinion what is what causes

2323
01:47:27,050 --> 01:47:23,790
the UFO reports what are people seeing

2324
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:27,060
what what is the initializing factor

2325
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:30,930
that causes people to report aliens or

2326
01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:32,340
things flying through the sky or

2327
01:47:35,570 --> 01:47:33,780
whatever I mean I know it's a big

2328
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:35,580
question if me bunch of different

2329
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:38,100
answers I think I have an answer for you

2330
01:47:44,420 --> 01:47:40,650
I don't believe any one specific thing

2331
01:47:47,300 --> 01:47:44,430
but what this sounds pretty bizarre but

2332
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:47,310
I think there are entities that have

2333
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:50,330
been with us here forever that take on

2334
01:47:58,370 --> 01:47:54,480
different disguises or masks or maybe

2335
01:48:01,570 --> 01:47:58,380
it's our perception of them it whatever

2336
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:01,580
they are part of us how's that for a

2337
01:48:07,890 --> 01:48:05,040
vague metaphysical answer are we getting

2338
01:48:10,860 --> 01:48:07,900
into your collective unconscious

2339
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:10,870
that could be it to Jean perhaps and

2340
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,090
perhaps that's part of the phenomenon

2341
01:48:19,740 --> 01:48:15,760
you know you know let me try it again

2342
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:19,750
it's more all-encompassing boat here now

2343
01:48:24,630 --> 01:48:22,090
in doing research here and Greg did a

2344
01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:24,640
lot of the research before we got you on

2345
01:48:27,150 --> 01:48:25,300
here

2346
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:27,160
finding questions we can ask you to

2347
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:28,710
embarrass the hell out of you

2348
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:32,280
it seems he gave a talk called were the

2349
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:36,910
1950s contactees ritual magicians at

2350
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:39,520
Roswell is he mean Roswell New Mexico

2351
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:44,530
yes okay so now I'm curious tell me more

2352
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:48,610
the lecture was based the starting point

2353
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:51,730
was that psychedelic UFO experience and

2354
01:48:59,250 --> 01:48:56,050
how I stated at the beginning of it you

2355
01:49:01,770 --> 01:48:59,260
know what if we saw some UFOs believe us

2356
01:49:04,860 --> 01:49:01,780
and that I'm intentionally planted a

2357
01:49:07,530 --> 01:49:04,870
seed therefore those experiences and I

2358
01:49:11,130 --> 01:49:07,540
go into the whole John kill thing about

2359
01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:11,140
the super spectrum and entering trance

2360
01:49:20,250 --> 01:49:15,660
States and I looked at the 50s

2361
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:20,260
contactees and connected a lot of dots

2362
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:23,410
most of those early contact isa was all

2363
01:49:30,650 --> 01:49:27,930
based on entering into trance States

2364
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:30,660
conjuring up these entities whether they

2365
01:49:37,860 --> 01:49:34,780
were aware of that or not seemed like

2366
01:49:41,970 --> 01:49:37,870
all of the experiences had to do with

2367
01:49:45,930 --> 01:49:41,980
either unwitting or winning conjuration

2368
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:45,940
of these entities may even George

2369
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,490
Adamski seeing the Flying Saucer land in

2370
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:51,040
the California desert I think so because

2371
01:49:56,930 --> 01:49:52,960
you if you look at a damn skis

2372
01:50:01,020 --> 01:49:56,940
background prior to all of that he

2373
01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:01,030
written a in well let me say first of

2374
01:50:09,580 --> 01:50:06,760
all maybe it was you know a hoax on

2375
01:50:11,609 --> 01:50:09,590
Adamski's part but

2376
01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:11,619
you know if you look at Adamski's

2377
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:14,540
background he wrote a science fiction

2378
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:18,530
novel many years before his encounter

2379
01:50:25,689 --> 01:50:21,679
suppose encounter with the you phone not

2380
01:50:28,899 --> 01:50:25,699
swear he was talking about an experience

2381
01:50:32,620 --> 01:50:28,909
with UFOs and he also spent some time

2382
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,630
with putting together something called

2383
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:35,360
the Royal Order of Tibet which was

2384
01:50:43,899 --> 01:50:41,330
basically some type of group into

2385
01:50:49,050 --> 01:50:43,909
metaphysical experiences so he had that

2386
01:50:52,810 --> 01:50:49,060
whole background of being involved in

2387
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:52,820
esoteric esoteric thoughts and Eastern

2388
01:51:02,439 --> 01:50:57,679
mysticism and writing a novel about UFOs

2389
01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:02,449
before his experiences and he was

2390
01:51:08,740 --> 01:51:05,750
involved with George hunt Williamson who

2391
01:51:13,649 --> 01:51:08,750
was somebody who definitely according to

2392
01:51:16,750 --> 01:51:13,659
his own work conjured UFOs used

2393
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:16,760
basically something akin to an Ouija

2394
01:51:26,919 --> 01:51:22,400
board to conjure UFOs practise Enochian

2395
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,929
chants a system of magic to conjure UFO

2396
01:51:33,490 --> 01:51:29,360
so it was a whole group of people at

2397
01:51:36,570 --> 01:51:33,500
danske George hunt Williamson George Van

2398
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:36,580
Tassel Robert Short was another one who

2399
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:39,290
admits that he's these methods

2400
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:42,710
channeling methods to bring down the UFO

2401
01:51:49,330 --> 01:51:47,119
knots basically if you look at all the

2402
01:51:51,939 --> 01:51:49,340
UFO contact Keys it's more of a

2403
01:51:57,250 --> 01:51:51,949
religious movement

2404
01:51:59,319 --> 01:51:57,260
they were you know basically mystics so

2405
01:52:02,049 --> 01:51:59,329
maybe they were bringing et as a

2406
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:02,059
mechanism to convey the information like

2407
01:52:06,069 --> 01:52:04,489
that statement that Adamski was quoted

2408
01:52:07,959 --> 01:52:06,079
as saying sometimes you have to go

2409
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through the back door to get to the

2410
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truth

2411
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:12,769
perhaps that was their design maybe they

2412
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didn't know what they were consciously

2413
01:52:23,799 --> 01:52:21,139
doing you know maybe they tapped into

2414
01:52:27,729 --> 01:52:23,809
some unconscious element like you

2415
01:52:32,979 --> 01:52:27,739
mentioned before maybe they did tap into

2416
01:52:36,330 --> 01:52:32,989
open a doorway to these as Matt Tony's

2417
01:52:43,540 --> 01:52:36,340
call him the crypto terrestrials or the

2418
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ultra dimensionals of John kill well you

2419
01:52:46,779 --> 01:52:45,170
know they would never know or just would

2420
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:46,789
use it as a matter of convenience of

2421
01:52:52,209 --> 01:52:49,130
course they're a couple of contactees

2422
01:52:54,009 --> 01:52:52,219
who have maybe different experiences

2423
01:52:56,529 --> 01:52:54,019
with that Warfield Angelou she Orfeo

2424
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Angelou she mentioned and Nick Redferns

2425
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book on contactees where he sat with

2426
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this military guy who gave him in a

2427
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diner believe it or not some kind of

2428
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drug maybe a psychedelic and then seized

2429
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things of course shades of what happened

2430
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to you and then we had the experience of

2431
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Howard manager who met with me and Jim

2432
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Mosley at a diner across from 303 Fifth

2433
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Avenue in New York how do I remember

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this stuff I take vitamin b12 helps the

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mind fertile and he says maybe he was

2436
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part of a government disinformation

2437
01:53:37,899 --> 01:53:34,010
experiment that could be bringing up

2438
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Angelou Chi I just read Redferns book on

2439
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the contactees and yeah that's

2440
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interesting the his first sighting a lot

2441
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of these happened in 1952 which is an

2442
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interesting date we can talk about that

2443
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more but well maybe we'll talk about now

2444
01:54:02,390 --> 01:53:57,570
why is 1952 so significant

2445
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I when I put this lecture together on

2446
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the UFO contactee I was looking at a few

2447
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things contactees who apparently it

2448
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entered into trance States and I think

2449
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it looked like most of them had and it

2450
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seemed to all have happened in 1952 and

2451
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so he start looking at and where did

2452
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this happen a lot of it was in the

2453
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California desert so maybe they happened

2454
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on powerpoints for power spots where

2455
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there was energy going that happening

2456
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with ley lines and those type of things

2457
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and maybe 1952 was critical because it's

2458
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interesting there's a website called

2459
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temporal doorway comm and I'm not sure

2460
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if it's still there but it basically

2461
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does statistical analysis of all these

2462
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UFO sightings what are the peak years 46

2463
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was a peak here 52 was a peak year and a

2464
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number of other years which I talked

2465
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about in my lecture so I think something

2466
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was going on and I bring in the whole

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Aleister Crowley Jack Parsons lamb did

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they open up a doorway for these

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enmities Jack Parsons and then going off

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maybe perhaps on a little tangent here

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before we go on a bigger tangent a

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temporal pathway we have our own

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we want to hear from you if you have a

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strange laughs come from Adam because he

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appreciates the strange way in which

2599
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Greg Bishop identifies the show or not

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02:00:30,090 --> 02:00:27,370
as co-host you see the co-host always

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has to say the words the para cast is

2602
02:00:34,379 --> 02:00:32,409
some totally ridiculous way I am a

2603
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totally ridiculous Jean Steinberg you're

2604
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in the power cast and we're talking to

2605
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Adam go Riley are you totally ridiculous

2606
02:00:44,790 --> 02:00:41,679
sometimes yeah I think you should do

2607
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that when the co-host does the pair cast

2608
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you also should take on the like

2609
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teenager is totally bored to be there so

2610
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the para cast we can have you record

2611
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this teenage thing you see I am so old

2612
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and so far removed from being a teenager

2613
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I cannot duplicate the sound that's my

2614
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son he's only 24 I'm not sure if I did

2615
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:06,330
that well either but you know how the

2616
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teenage kid he's looking down bored to

2617
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be her dad kicking around the sweet

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little pair of cast yes we can do the

2619
02:01:22,860 --> 02:01:18,909
Jewish way ie the para que I was good to

2620
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Jerry Lewis way but then I think before

2621
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we came on and blow out my speakers it

2622
02:01:32,220 --> 02:01:29,920
will not be done on the air nobody's

2623
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:32,230
gonna let us do this Adam let's skip

2624
02:01:37,860 --> 02:01:34,510
back into the swing of things here okay

2625
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:37,870
let's move more to the present here okay

2626
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we don't have endless amounts of time

2627
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this is your first chance to beyond here

2628
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there will be others if you pay us

2629
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:47,530
enough but seriously okay taking the UFO

2630
02:01:53,570 --> 02:01:50,790
mystery there is a perception out there

2631
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:53,580
at the UFOs the ones that first visited

2632
02:01:58,520 --> 02:01:56,250
us in the 40s and 50s and 60s 70s

2633
02:02:00,430 --> 02:01:58,530
they're gone we don't see too many

2634
02:02:02,450 --> 02:02:00,440
anymore they don't care about us anymore

2635
02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:02,460
although there seem to be plenty of

2636
02:02:08,510 --> 02:02:05,430
sightings what's your perception one

2637
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:08,520
more time Jean the perception therefore

2638
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:11,970
being that the original UFOs whatever

2639
02:02:20,870 --> 02:02:18,450
they might be have left us no opinion

2640
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:20,880
think they have left us or what do you

2641
02:02:25,820 --> 02:02:23,520
think happened why the change in the

2642
02:02:29,540 --> 02:02:25,830
UFOs and the way that whatever it is

2643
02:02:32,420 --> 02:02:29,550
interacts with us I got you're

2644
02:02:36,770 --> 02:02:32,430
indicating the phenomena has changed

2645
02:02:41,210 --> 02:02:36,780
since the the old-school UFOs compared

2646
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:41,220
to the visitations of today a cultural

2647
02:02:45,110 --> 02:02:43,290
change a physical change because we're

2648
02:02:48,860 --> 02:02:45,120
seeing different creatures what do you

2649
02:02:52,820 --> 02:02:48,870
think I I think you what's getting get

2650
02:02:55,730 --> 02:02:52,830
into that those cultural filters and I

2651
02:02:58,970 --> 02:02:55,740
mean this is ground you guys have

2652
02:03:02,540 --> 02:02:58,980
covered before but you know back in the

2653
02:03:06,380 --> 02:03:02,550
old days of the 50s the contactees I

2654
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:06,390
mean going and going back to the turn of

2655
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:08,370
the century there were they were seeing

2656
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:11,370
airships you know and then the

2657
02:03:18,590 --> 02:03:14,330
technological age comes along we start

2658
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:18,600
seeing these crude saucer things that

2659
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:21,450
you saw in the old science fiction movie

2660
02:03:27,020 --> 02:03:24,890
we're not really seeing that motif

2661
02:03:30,830 --> 02:03:27,030
anymore

2662
02:03:35,380 --> 02:03:30,840
I think it's once again it just comes

2663
02:03:39,850 --> 02:03:35,390
back to perception I really in my gut

2664
02:03:44,110 --> 02:03:39,860
don't feel that we were being visited by

2665
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:44,120
ETS I think it's all wrapped around this

2666
02:03:52,450 --> 02:03:48,690
enigma of these strange creatures and

2667
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:52,460
these visions we have on this planet and

2668
02:03:59,570 --> 02:03:56,250
how we perceive them and describe them

2669
02:04:02,150 --> 02:03:59,580
I think that's what's that it's part of

2670
02:04:04,820 --> 02:04:02,160
an age-old phenomenon that's been part

2671
02:04:09,430 --> 02:04:04,830
and parcel of our experience yeah

2672
02:04:12,890 --> 02:04:09,440
exactly I really and you can't

2673
02:04:15,410 --> 02:04:12,900
I'd be hesitant to say I believe any one

2674
02:04:20,120 --> 02:04:15,420
theory a hundred percent who lied to say

2675
02:04:22,780 --> 02:04:20,130
that ETS haven't visited us it could

2676
02:04:27,320 --> 02:04:22,790
very well have happened but from my own

2677
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:27,330
experiences and what makes sense to me

2678
02:04:33,290 --> 02:04:31,650
is that this planet itself is strange

2679
02:04:39,590 --> 02:04:33,300
enough there's a lot of undiscovered

2680
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:39,600
realms there's you know what's the thing

2681
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:42,570
people say about the ocean how we've

2682
02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:45,780
really know very little about what is

2683
02:04:53,540 --> 02:04:50,460
going on under the sea or inside the

2684
02:05:00,230 --> 02:04:53,550
earth and in the atmosphere I think it's

2685
02:05:02,630 --> 02:05:00,240
a mysterious planet and ETS you know

2686
02:05:04,430 --> 02:05:02,640
whether they visit or not I think the

2687
02:05:07,490 --> 02:05:04,440
world is strange enough with or without

2688
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:07,500
them of course the way things are going

2689
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:09,570
now we are discovering more and more

2690
02:05:13,940 --> 02:05:11,970
evidence of life in outer space we have

2691
02:05:16,250 --> 02:05:13,950
water on the moon so we can get a glass

2692
02:05:18,340 --> 02:05:16,260
so that gets to cold air one suite and

2693
02:05:21,710 --> 02:05:18,350
have it that place but the point being

2694
02:05:24,110 --> 02:05:21,720
life is ubiquitous around the universe

2695
02:05:27,140 --> 02:05:24,120
or is this reality just change around us

2696
02:05:29,300 --> 02:05:27,150
as we grow what we see what we observe

2697
02:05:32,570 --> 02:05:29,310
expands because we're expanding our

2698
02:05:35,300 --> 02:05:32,580
reality mm-hmm well I think so indeed

2699
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:35,310
and you know going back to the whole

2700
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psychedelic experience for me what that

2701
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did was the question reality thing the

2702
02:05:53,209 --> 02:05:48,690
scene what basically that experience

2703
02:05:58,500 --> 02:05:57,629
the world isn't necessarily as the way

2704
02:06:02,839 --> 02:05:58,510
you see it

2705
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:02,849
it opens up and once again it could be

2706
02:06:10,469 --> 02:06:06,070
seemingly delusion but for me it

2707
02:06:15,569 --> 02:06:10,479
revealed a lot of made me see another

2708
02:06:18,779 --> 02:06:15,579
truth you know what do you say then to

2709
02:06:21,569 --> 02:06:18,789
the people who say well ufos or ET it's

2710
02:06:26,779 --> 02:06:21,579
nuts and bolts and all this other stuff

2711
02:06:31,250 --> 02:06:26,789
is fantasy it's drug-induced etc etc

2712
02:06:34,770 --> 02:06:31,260
show me the money show me the evidence

2713
02:06:38,370 --> 02:06:34,780
has there been any evidence that nuts

2714
02:06:43,979 --> 02:06:38,380
and bolt craft well we go back to the

2715
02:06:46,799 --> 02:06:43,989
traditional hardware type UFOs we talk

2716
02:06:48,989 --> 02:06:46,809
about the extraordinary maneuvers the

2717
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,999
radar sightings the photographs the

2718
02:06:53,609 --> 02:06:50,800
trace evidence at Ted Phillips and

2719
02:06:57,359 --> 02:06:53,619
others are examining what are they after

2720
02:06:58,500 --> 02:06:57,369
if it's not physical you might well ask

2721
02:07:02,239 --> 02:06:58,510
the same thing about the Loch Ness

2722
02:07:05,310 --> 02:07:02,249
monster and Bigfoot well why not

2723
02:07:07,379 --> 02:07:05,320
well there's there's a point there and I

2724
02:07:10,169 --> 02:07:07,389
think Adam knows what I'm getting at and

2725
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,179
maybe explain that to our listeners well

2726
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:12,639
the the fact that you can't see the I

2727
02:07:18,359 --> 02:07:14,710
mean you can't get an example of these

2728
02:07:20,009 --> 02:07:18,369
things would tend to make people you

2729
02:07:22,589 --> 02:07:20,019
know it should tend to make people think

2730
02:07:25,339 --> 02:07:22,599
that maybe they're not physical in the

2731
02:07:27,810 --> 02:07:25,349
way we think of things of being physical

2732
02:07:29,399 --> 02:07:27,820
they have the appearance of it and and

2733
02:07:33,870 --> 02:07:29,409
can have the appearance of it at least

2734
02:07:37,259 --> 02:07:33,880
for a time but they you know that fades

2735
02:07:39,689 --> 02:07:37,269
away somehow and then it's a holodeck

2736
02:07:41,879 --> 02:07:39,699
okay maybe the UFO mystery all these

2737
02:07:44,399 --> 02:07:41,889
other mysteries it's a holodeck we're

2738
02:07:47,339 --> 02:07:44,409
seeing something that's being generated

2739
02:07:50,459 --> 02:07:47,349
to hide from the real phenomenon

2740
02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:50,469
whatever it is or we're seeing a window

2741
02:07:57,089 --> 02:07:53,590
into another universe I think you know

2742
02:07:59,549 --> 02:07:57,099
Adam can elaborate on this I think

2743
02:08:01,649 --> 02:07:59,559
that's part of it but I also think the

2744
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:01,659
minute we start saying it could possibly

2745
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be this and then you know bring up Star

2746
02:08:07,860 --> 02:08:05,020
Trek

2747
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:07,870
bring up some idea that we can get a

2748
02:08:13,470 --> 02:08:11,440
handle on that the definition of it or

2749
02:08:15,810 --> 02:08:13,480
whatever it is immediately runs suna

2750
02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:15,820
another area of the room and we can't

2751
02:08:22,770 --> 02:08:20,710
get our put our fingers on it 50 years

2752
02:08:25,260 --> 02:08:22,780
of the UFO mysteries quantum physics

2753
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,270
maybe Adam fell Riley is joining us Greg

2754
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Bishop is the co-host I'm gene Steinberg

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let me tell you what you're gonna hear

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stuff here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else Adam go rightly here for

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gene Steinberg red Bishop is the co-host

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so Adam let's talk about that

2869
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possibility maybe our perception of UFOs

2870
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changes what we perceive I think so and

2871
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how about making a complex and

2872
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explaining to listeners who say what the

2873
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:27,449
heck did he say well I think we've

2874
02:13:34,579 --> 02:13:32,249
kicked around this before but the whole

2875
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cultural filters it's your own personal

2876
02:13:40,489 --> 02:13:38,459
filters it's your own life experiences

2877
02:13:42,859 --> 02:13:40,499
yes but that's what you think the

2878
02:13:45,079 --> 02:13:42,869
reality is I'm saying that when you see

2879
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:45,089
it it's quantum physics you're changing

2880
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:48,960
it by very nature seeing it

2881
02:13:56,030 --> 02:13:52,800
ah the interacting part of it I think

2882
02:13:57,410 --> 02:13:56,040
that goes on how that happens why that

2883
02:14:01,520 --> 02:13:57,420
happens

2884
02:14:05,470 --> 02:14:01,530
I can't articulate that I don't know why

2885
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:05,480
but I definitely seem to occur in my own

2886
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:09,360
experiences with go and meet me back to

2887
02:14:19,070 --> 02:14:14,570
that those weird UFO things it seemed to

2888
02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:19,080
you know we saw seven or eight I forget

2889
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:22,590
the exact number of UFOs that night and

2890
02:14:28,399 --> 02:14:24,570
they started off as your classical

2891
02:14:32,270 --> 02:14:28,409
shapes then they became weirder and more

2892
02:14:35,090 --> 02:14:32,280
cartoonish and I don't know if I've ever

2893
02:14:37,580 --> 02:14:35,100
thought of it exactly like this but it

2894
02:14:42,310 --> 02:14:37,590
seemed like they were getting more

2895
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playful and maybe myself and my friend

2896
02:14:49,130 --> 02:14:46,020
our input was getting more playful and

2897
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interacting with whatever that weird

2898
02:14:57,490 --> 02:14:52,020
energy was or they were putting on a

2899
02:15:02,240 --> 02:14:57,500
show for your benefit mm-hmm exactly

2900
02:15:04,939 --> 02:15:02,250
where does the you know where do you

2901
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draw the line between the observer and

2902
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the observed at the time we saw those

2903
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things we definitely there was a

2904
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demarcation between it seemed to us that

2905
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we were just witnessing something that

2906
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was totally outside our realm of

2907
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influence the more I think about it the

2908
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more I think that it was all us and

2909
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something else going on there I've never

2910
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really talked this deep about the

2911
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experience but we're here for ya and

2912
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it's something

2913
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my thoughts about it continued to evolve

2914
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obviously I'm still talking about this

2915
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it's happened in 1978 so some type of

2916
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pat has passed if this didn't happen

2917
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:03,480
effect or have some meaning in my life I

2918
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wouldn't be talking about it now now

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someone's gonna ask us and I'll just

2920
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raise the question you have a day job or

2921
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is this it I do have the day job I don't

2922
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want to comment on that that's kind of

2923
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why I use a pseudonym to distance myself

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my world job from these bizarre topics I

2925
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talk about okay so it's not Adam go

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rightly sometimes it is okay sometimes

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it's the wrong Reverend Houdini

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Kundalini of the first shut and wavering

2929
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indifference but yeah brightly as a suit

2930
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okay and you can never tell us who you

2931
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really are

2932
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oh I probably will at some point the

2933
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reason I started using the pseudonym

2934
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I've actually read an article called

2935
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UFOs LSD and me relating this whole

2936
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experience and I didn't want to go on

2937
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record saying I'd use a certain

2938
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psychoactive substance because basically

2939
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because of my real-world life and

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occupation and how that might be viewed

2941
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negatively by he's been a respectable

2942
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job Jean oh one of those yes many years

2943
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since I've had a respectable job so I

2944
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well you have a respectable job to Greg

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you're kind of almost normal so you have

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a life and then you do this this is your

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other life you're different for a lot of

2948
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people because they'll have respectable

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jobs and especially in different areas

2950
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of country if you're in the

2951
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entertainment industry people expect you

2952
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to be eccentric so it's okay for me to

2953
02:18:05,490 --> 02:18:02,949
talk about weird stuff

2954
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so for adamant it's not really and I I

2955
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:07,300
try to just respect that with them

2956
02:18:11,250 --> 02:18:08,889
although I've known his real name for

2957
02:18:14,700 --> 02:18:11,260
about the last - two or three minutes

2958
02:18:18,450 --> 02:18:14,710
now okay no I've known it for awhile but

2959
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is that you you get one that that part

2960
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of your life gets affected in to the

2961
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kind of things especially the Adam

2962
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writes about you sometimes get people

2963
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coming by who you don't really want

2964
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coming by and bothering you know your

2965
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family and your neighbors and all that

2966
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so there's that part of it - Adam what

2967
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happened everybody gone

2968
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:42,279
yes I was heard us talking about him

2969
02:18:48,379 --> 02:18:44,590
anything's you know maybe I just stepped

2970
02:18:51,709 --> 02:18:48,389
into this I don't know what I just said

2971
02:18:54,870 --> 02:18:51,719
is that not why you use the pseudonym

2972
02:18:58,830 --> 02:18:54,880
that's basically it I'm not so concerned

2973
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:58,840
about people approaching me and that

2974
02:19:06,149 --> 02:19:01,599
type of thing it's yeah it's just a

2975
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work-related matter and in a few years

2976
02:19:12,689 --> 02:19:10,090
in about a year I won't be working

2977
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anymore I'll be able to retire so people

2978
02:19:18,049 --> 02:19:14,199
want to know my real name that's what I

2979
02:19:20,339 --> 02:19:18,059
don't I don't hide it from folks it just

2980
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makes it easier I've been going along

2981
02:19:28,589 --> 02:19:23,729
this path for a while so it's amazing

2982
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:28,599
some of my fellow people I work with

2983
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:31,439
haven't caught on yet but you know we

2984
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were sharing a really small subculture

2985
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:38,859
well that raises an interesting question

2986
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obviously Greg's in the entertainment

2987
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industry so he can be an eccentric and

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we assume therefore because you have a

2989
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normal so to speed a job now do people

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at all other than maybe your family know

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about your other interests and the

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paranormal conspiracy theories and stuff

2993
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like that I think so you know people

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work with people I know I consider

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friends they know he's kind of an

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oddball and he's has an interest in

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these these things he knows about yeah

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somebody talked to conspiracy talk about

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conspiracies about or UFOs indeed so you

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know part of it is perhaps working maybe

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or maybe not for a government entity and

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being concerned about how it would

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affect pensions and that type of stuff

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so you tell me know something here

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you're handing it something here you

3006
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know you know let me speaking of the

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government okay and we talk about

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government experiments and

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disinformation and now the movement to

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have disclosure its foot it's worse than

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ever they want disclose you have various

3012
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elements of the movement you have XO

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politics etc you have the book by Leslie

3014
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Kean a very straight and narrow book

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about UFOs it certainly inspires people

3016
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to say what does the government know

3017
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when did they know it and why don't they

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tell us so let me ask you to think the

3019
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government knows about what's really

3020
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going on and I think they know some

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stuff but it's not centralized in one

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big database where you could release it

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and say this is the truth about the ETS

3024
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I think the government has to do this

3025
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and you're talking about it different

3026
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such a different alphabet agencies and

3027
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people collecting this information

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they're probably as confused about it as

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we are

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well maybe you mean greater let's

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confuse I don't think they're sitting on

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tells me that Steven Bassett not like or

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I was fascinated me it was about Carlos

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Castaneda and though the the gist of the

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Castaneda was maybe you can give a

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gone on shows you know in recent times I

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brought up Castaneda

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like Tim banal show I was talking about

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different pieces I wrote and he's he's

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like who's Carlos Castaneda I think

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banal doesn't a good job and all that

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but he's a younger dude growing up in

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the late 60s 70s those books were as

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influential as like The Hobbit during

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that period they were huge successes

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about Carlos Castaneda and his

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adventures going into Mexico and meeting

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with a breach from a magic man he turned

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him on to these different psychoactive

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I beyond the drugs Don Juan who was his

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teacher continued to instruct him with

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different techniques and different ways

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of using your mind to see a separate

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reality so that's Carlos custody a bunch

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of books what was the first one the

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teachings of Don Juan and then there was

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a separate reality in a whole there were

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a whole series yeah all series of books

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and so the piece I wrote for you and boy

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back in those days I not sparse and my

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three articles and a lot of it I

3197
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:49,730
referenced the book by Richard DeMille

3198
02:29:57,250 --> 02:29:53,050
who looked at Castaneda and basically

3199
02:30:01,060 --> 02:29:57,260
shown in his books that it would have

3200
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:01,070
been hard for Carlos Castaneda to

3201
02:30:06,540 --> 02:30:04,250
actually meet with Don Juan and have all

3202
02:30:09,970 --> 02:30:06,550
those experiences DeMille was a

3203
02:30:16,290 --> 02:30:09,980
contemporary of cast Anita I think was

3204
02:30:18,970 --> 02:30:16,300
UCLA and how s needed really written a

3205
02:30:22,261 --> 02:30:18,980
fictional novel or some type of

3206
02:30:26,020 --> 02:30:22,271
treatment about an experience with a

3207
02:30:29,770 --> 02:30:26,030
magical virtue of this type of shaman

3208
02:30:31,720 --> 02:30:29,780
back before he even met Don Juan so

3209
02:30:35,801 --> 02:30:31,730
that's what I kind of wrote about in

3210
02:30:39,580 --> 02:30:35,811
that article but I also even though you

3211
02:30:40,030 --> 02:30:39,590
know I felt he was a quote-unquote fraud

3212
02:30:42,850 --> 02:30:40,040
he was

3213
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:42,860
in his own right a teacher like a lot of

3214
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:46,610
great writers are you know he was an

3215
02:30:52,171 --> 02:30:49,730
exceptional writer putting forth you

3216
02:30:56,591 --> 02:30:52,181
know the messages he was sending out to

3217
02:31:00,011 --> 02:30:56,601
folks about breaking free from consensus

3218
02:31:03,160 --> 02:31:00,021
reality like Robert Anton Wilson and

3219
02:31:06,219 --> 02:31:03,170
finding your own path or as cast Anita

3220
02:31:08,750 --> 02:31:06,229
turned it away of heart

3221
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:08,760
the point of the article I thought was

3222
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:11,010
yeah we'll say this is what we said sort

3223
02:31:16,340 --> 02:31:14,399
of about John keel yeah some of it might

3224
02:31:18,889 --> 02:31:16,350
have been made up some of the twists the

3225
02:31:21,650 --> 02:31:18,899
truth was twisted but the basic message

3226
02:31:23,479 --> 02:31:21,660
is important and should be heard and and

3227
02:31:26,059 --> 02:31:23,489
after reading the article I didn't

3228
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:26,069
really feel fooled by Casa de nada I

3229
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:28,560
just felt that it was I looked at it in

3230
02:31:30,979 --> 02:31:29,850
a different way because yeah I read

3231
02:31:32,990 --> 02:31:30,989
those books and I was in junior high

3232
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:33,000
school and I'd never taken any drugs and

3233
02:31:36,769 --> 02:31:35,130
I had but they were fascinating to me

3234
02:31:41,260 --> 02:31:36,779
just like the Adamski books and all

3235
02:31:43,969 --> 02:31:41,270
those things were to me at the time but

3236
02:31:45,410 --> 02:31:43,979
yeah that that article turner that i got

3237
02:31:46,940 --> 02:31:45,420
some letters about that article and some

3238
02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:46,950
people were angry about it and I thought

3239
02:31:52,309 --> 02:31:49,680
well too bad another person they got

3240
02:31:53,690 --> 02:31:52,319
angry about and I wanted to bring up and

3241
02:31:59,599 --> 02:31:53,700
we haven't talked about him for a while

3242
02:32:01,429 --> 02:31:59,609
as IRA Einhorn yeah interesting once you

3243
02:32:02,990 --> 02:32:01,439
give a little background on Einhorn then

3244
02:32:06,500 --> 02:32:03,000
I'll tell you my experience

3245
02:32:10,580 --> 02:32:06,510
Einhorn was basically a kind of a

3246
02:32:15,860 --> 02:32:10,590
networker in the in the psychedelic and

3247
02:32:17,479 --> 02:32:15,870
psychic movements of the 1970s he is

3248
02:32:20,420 --> 02:32:17,489
considered one of the founders of Earth

3249
02:32:22,550 --> 02:32:20,430
Day he was basically a promoter a real

3250
02:32:25,219 --> 02:32:22,560
good promoter and in synthesiser of

3251
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:25,229
information sometime in the late 70s he

3252
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:27,810
they found his girlfriend dead and

3253
02:32:34,580 --> 02:32:30,000
stuffed in a trunk in his apartment and

3254
02:32:36,290 --> 02:32:34,590
he fled the country saying that he had

3255
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:36,300
been framed and the CIA had done it

3256
02:32:39,710 --> 02:32:37,680
because he knew too much about what the

3257
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:39,720
government knew about psychedelics or

3258
02:32:43,729 --> 02:32:41,850
flying saucers or something and he left

3259
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:43,739
and then he got found and brought back

3260
02:32:48,349 --> 02:32:44,880
to the United States but while he was

3261
02:32:50,300 --> 02:32:48,359
still on the lam and he was found Adam

3262
02:32:52,010 --> 02:32:50,310
actually found him co-star couple

3263
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:52,020
correspondence with him and put me in

3264
02:32:56,510 --> 02:32:53,130
touch with a guy and he did an interview

3265
02:32:57,830 --> 02:32:56,520
for the magazine which was one of the I

3266
02:32:59,420 --> 02:32:57,840
think one of the probably one of the

3267
02:33:01,370 --> 02:32:59,430
better things that was in the magazine

3268
02:33:03,979 --> 02:33:01,380
while I was going and excluded middle so

3269
02:33:05,090 --> 02:33:03,989
maybe Adam can go into a little bit of

3270
02:33:07,309 --> 02:33:05,100
how he got in touch with him what kind

3271
02:33:08,979 --> 02:33:07,319
of relationship you had with Einhorn who

3272
02:33:13,070 --> 02:33:08,989
is now serving a life sentence in

3273
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:13,080
Pennsylvania in prison yeah a lot of the

3274
02:33:17,020 --> 02:33:14,850
criticism you get whatwhat do you want

3275
02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:17,030
to interview a word

3276
02:33:20,711 --> 02:33:18,860
but I wanted to know more about the

3277
02:33:24,580 --> 02:33:20,721
story you interacted with Andre Pugh

3278
02:33:27,970 --> 02:33:24,590
Horwich and according to einhorn and he

3279
02:33:30,850 --> 02:33:27,980
helped to edit the leis messengers of

3280
02:33:33,810 --> 02:33:30,860
deception and he was part of that group

3281
02:33:37,421 --> 02:33:33,820
that to Herrick was working with and

3282
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:37,431
awesome in New York that were looking

3283
02:33:45,700 --> 02:33:42,080
into psychic phenomena and UFOs so I

3284
02:33:48,970 --> 02:33:45,710
have a way of attracting coups or

3285
02:33:51,211 --> 02:33:48,980
networking with people and somewhere

3286
02:33:55,631 --> 02:33:51,221
online I don't even remember exactly

3287
02:33:58,360 --> 02:33:55,641
someone I was networking with was in

3288
02:34:00,551 --> 02:33:58,370
contact with an Horne who at that time

3289
02:34:02,650 --> 02:34:00,561
was in France and I started email

3290
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:02,660
conversation and we did an interview

3291
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:07,370
which ended up being published in Griggs

3292
02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:09,920
I don't think yeah did show up in the

3293
02:34:16,140 --> 02:34:12,590
magazine but the full interview was in

3294
02:34:19,301 --> 02:34:16,150
your anthology a wake-up call we got

3295
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:19,311
down there we didn't have any pictures

3296
02:34:24,190 --> 02:34:21,650
of him so I sent him a roll of film and

3297
02:34:26,860 --> 02:34:24,200
his girlfriend or wife took pictures of

3298
02:34:28,390 --> 02:34:26,870
him and then he sent it back and that

3299
02:34:29,950 --> 02:34:28,400
was kind of a weird thing - it was a

3300
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:29,960
parole of black and white film and it

3301
02:34:32,860 --> 02:34:31,040
came back and their pictures their

3302
02:34:34,390 --> 02:34:32,870
pictures that he took in he had a

3303
02:34:38,440 --> 02:34:34,400
picture of him holding up a copy of the

3304
02:34:40,511 --> 02:34:38,450
magazine great stuff and it's he talked

3305
02:34:43,240 --> 02:34:40,521
about government or some type of

3306
02:34:45,730 --> 02:34:43,250
surveillance for somebody but definitely

3307
02:34:49,211 --> 02:34:45,740
during the period I was exchanging

3308
02:34:52,711 --> 02:34:49,221
emails with IRA Einhorn we were under

3309
02:34:56,530 --> 02:34:52,721
surveillance because I remember one time

3310
02:35:00,671 --> 02:34:56,540
getting back a weird truncated email and

3311
02:35:03,251 --> 02:35:00,681
it basically said to me that you are

3312
02:35:04,990 --> 02:35:03,261
being monitored hmm why do you think

3313
02:35:06,700 --> 02:35:05,000
they were still monitoring Nora after

3314
02:35:07,961 --> 02:35:06,710
all these years you know they granted

3315
02:35:09,881 --> 02:35:07,971
they were trying to extradite him back

3316
02:35:12,730 --> 02:35:09,891
to the United States at that point oh it

3317
02:35:15,551 --> 02:35:12,740
might have been Interpol or whoever is

3318
02:35:17,921 --> 02:35:15,561
involved but yeah that was during the

3319
02:35:23,801 --> 02:35:17,931
period they're trying to extradite him

3320
02:35:26,381 --> 02:35:23,811
from France and so I'm sure every

3321
02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:26,391
message he was sending out and receiving

3322
02:35:30,029 --> 02:35:27,970
people are keeping an eye on

3323
02:35:32,689 --> 02:35:30,039
I'll tell you what though this is a

3324
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:32,699
story that has some fascinating

3325
02:35:37,679 --> 02:35:35,170
possibilities we'd love to explore but

3326
02:35:39,989 --> 02:35:37,689
we don't have the time Adam go rightly

3327
02:35:41,550 --> 02:35:39,999
tell our listeners what you might be

3328
02:35:46,559 --> 02:35:41,560
working on where they can find more of

3329
02:35:50,489 --> 02:35:46,569
the things that you do my books are up

3330
02:35:52,050 --> 02:35:50,499
on Amazon I have a new book and we

3331
02:35:54,420 --> 02:35:52,060
didn't even talk about the Manson Family

3332
02:35:56,489 --> 02:35:54,430
that I told Greg I was totally burned

3333
02:35:59,760 --> 02:35:56,499
out on the subject so that's good we

3334
02:36:01,710 --> 02:35:59,770
didn't go there with that being said

3335
02:36:04,050 --> 02:36:01,720
there's a wonderful volume called the

3336
02:36:06,330 --> 02:36:04,060
news of the Manson Family for those

3337
02:36:07,979 --> 02:36:06,340
people who are into a Manson family

3338
02:36:10,739 --> 02:36:07,989
story and have all the different books

3339
02:36:13,260 --> 02:36:10,749
this is a handy guide have known all the

3340
02:36:16,979 --> 02:36:13,270
different people involved in all the

3341
02:36:20,370 --> 02:36:16,989
different names they had and so check

3342
02:36:24,630 --> 02:36:20,380
that out it's on Amazon I have a blog at

3343
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:24,640
go rightly dirt dot wordpress.com where

3344
02:36:30,479 --> 02:36:27,850
I have a lot of interesting things that

3345
02:36:34,229 --> 02:36:30,489
we didn't even talk about the Charlie

3346
02:36:36,029 --> 02:36:34,239
Chaplin time traveler story but I'll

3347
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:36,039
tell you what we'll have to do that on

3348
02:36:39,210 --> 02:36:37,600
another vacation Adam when we have you

3349
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:39,220
back Greg Bishop where do we find more

3350
02:36:43,939 --> 02:36:40,810
of your stuff well more recently

3351
02:36:46,920 --> 02:36:43,949
probably at Radio Mysterio SOCOM and

3352
02:36:49,620 --> 02:36:46,930
some of my writing archive for the last

3353
02:36:51,300 --> 02:36:49,630
few years at UFO mystic dot-com and

3354
02:36:53,790 --> 02:36:51,310
occasionally new stuff over a few weeks

3355
02:36:56,250 --> 02:36:53,800
Greg Bishop thanks for being our co-host

3356
02:36:58,260 --> 02:36:56,260
this week Adam go Riley thank you for

3357
02:37:03,551 --> 02:36:58,270
joining us this week on the power cast

3358
02:37:08,511 --> 02:37:06,140
this is a calculated presentation of

3359
02:37:10,841 --> 02:37:08,521
making the impossible incorporated tune